Like I had said earlier you cannot judge a community based on the action of a few. Everybody complains sometime honey and some more than others. Nobody is perfect.
Please tell me what was the people of New Orleans was suppose to do when majority of the city was under water. There was little food and water there at the superdome. The superdome suffered damages its on self b/c of the storm. The weather was over a 100 degrees and people was suffering heat strokes. The elderly people in nursing homes was not taken to safety. Parents and childern was separated. Diabetics are without their medications and going into diabetic shock. Cops are shooting & beating innocent people. There is alot of blame for what happened to New Orleans and we can spend all day going back and forth about it. the bottom line is what can we do to make sure this dosent happen again.
Mary: You avoid the facts well. You still refuse to address why the citizens of New Orleans should not be held accountable. You speak only in generalities and refuse to answer why these problems did not occur anywhere but New Orleans. Apologists usually don\’t have facts though. You fit the bill to a tee! How can somone in such dire need SHOOT AT THE RELIEF WORKERS BRINGING SUPPLIES!!!!! As a civilian, would you go back to try to help someone who was shooting at you? If there were people in need, they should have taken matters into their own hands and stopped the shooting at workers. But they did not; just like they destroyed the only place they had to live, the convention center and superdome. Hold those who are accountable to blame, not those who tried to help. Stop making apologies for those who should be held accountable.
You\’re preaching on deaf ears. She claims the \”few.\” She hasn\’t a clue.
And it wasn\’t just people coming in that were being hurt and shot at. Anyone who knows someone in one of the surrounding police departments or NOPD would talk about the atrocities being committed on the women in the city. I guess rape and murder makes sense to some people when they are in need of water and food? I can tell you some stories.
They can spit their bile out against the President all they want, but the facts remain. And again, they still don\’t appear to get how they are being strung by the media. If you don\’t pay attention to the incoming politicians instead of the outgoing, you aren\’t an educated voter. And, this is what they hope for.
I guess you are saying that 100% of the people there in New Orleans was looting, and shooting, and raping, and destorying buildings. I guess that\’s why no one else in the Mississippi and Alabama area did the same. All the problem was in New Orleans, right. Everybody in New Orleans should just starve and live on the streets b/c they are not thankful for the little help they received days later. I guess we can be big brother to all the other countries and watch them burn our flag. We can go and try to help Iraq and they can shoot at us. We can send food to Africa but the millitary refuses to give it to the people in need there. Maybe thats too far from home. We can go to Florida the day after the storms. We can be in Texas before the storms hit. We can be there for California for its mudslides and wildfires. Kanas for their tornados. But it takes FOUR days for a relief packet to be signed by the President. Almost TEN days for the 2000 dollar debit cards. With the magnatude of destruction there were not even enough Nation Guards to help evaculate the people out of the city. But I keep forgetting EVERYBODY in New Orleans must be the BAD GUYS there. At least that\’s what you keep telling me. I\’ve heard at lot of stories from New Orleans some of which made me upset that my own race would do such. But most of the stories I\’ve heard of from New Orleans made me proud of my own race. Not everybody\’s community is perfect but there is always more good in the community than bad.
Oh yeah I dont vote because I learned a long time ago that my vote do not count against the electorial vote.
I asked adjusterjoe a legitimate questions- all he responded with were insults and tirades about NO. Pretty much proves the point.
My original statement had nothing to do with anything but the administration dragging it\’s heels in the face of an emergency, and the fact that people with no experience were \’given\’ jobs they had no business having because they were friends of Bush. Since he can\’t respond with facts, he changed what I said and got rude about it.
That\’s the flock of Bush sheep with live with these days.
Your desire is to give a free pass to those repsonsible. You have no desire to hold accountable those who are accountable. YOU REFUSE TO ADDRESS WHY OTHER AREAS HIT AS HARD OR HARDER HAD NONE OF THE PROBLEMS NEW ORLEANS DID. There is a correlation you REFUSE to accept. New Orleans is its own biggest problem.
Other areas hit as hard? What other area had the levees collapse and dump over 20 feet of water in their homes?
I didn\’t see people standing on rooftops with water around their ankles anywhere but NO.
I didn\’t see bodies floating by houses or stuck in trees in Miss or Al.
The houses that collapsed on the coast still left the people a way out.
And, just to add a point, anywhere that has a natural disaster has their share of looters and such. That\’s why there are curfews in cities with no electric. We had one down here for two months following Wilma for the same reasons. IF there were no police, no power, no water, no food, how fast would your city become a warzone? I\’m not defending them, I\’m simply stating that it could have been anywhere – but it\’s easier to call them names then say they deserved it.
NO just made worldwide headlines because it was already such a debacle.
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe I said that there were some people who were wrong for doing what they did. But you cannot pass the blame to the childern nor can you pass the blame to the elderly who had no way out. Yes, there were women who was raped but can you push the blame on them also. Yes, there were some people shooting at relief workers but perhaps you didnt follow the news as closely as you thought you was following it b/c the citizens did get the people who was doing the shooting and the raping, thats how the place got trashed. I can find the article for you if you dont believe me.
I hear what you are saying about adjusterjoe changing what you have said and then being rude. That\’s the game he plays. He won\’t ever change. You either agree with him or you\’re stupid or an apologist. By his logic though, he is an apologist as well. You had better not point that out to him or he will call you stupid. Anyway, I think he has some valid points, as do you and Mary R. as well.
OK, so on one hand we have honest, hardworking people who live paycheck to paycheck but are self-sufficient. There are those who work hard but need a little extra help. Then there are those who do nothing and want everything handed to them. Unfortunately, during the mass chaos and horror, it wasn\’t possible to distinguish between the \”good\” and the \”bad\” people. That\’s unfortunate because I don\’t mind helping those who need and deserve it. However, I do have a BIG problem helping those who don\’t even TRY to help themselves.
It seems as if a lot of people on this thread want to figure out what to do NEXT time… so does anyone have any good ideas?
At the risk of being called a communist again, my ideas involve changing the current system.
Working people get tax credit for child care. That doesn\’t help someone making minimum wage to pay the weekly care for child care. Instead of paying mothers to sit home with their children, give them vouchers to pay for child care while they work. And cut off their free money if they refuse. Then instead of providing Medicaid free if you\’re not working, make the premiums affordable if you\’re making minimum wage.
I\’ve been in the system- my husband\’s company was sold and my boss was killed in a plane crash in a four month period. We had one child and basically we were in a position to have to make about $13 an hour with benefits in order to make it \’worth while\’ to get jobs. And the medical benefits actually caused us to lose money because Medicaid paid for everything while we all know health insurance through employers pay for as little as possible. If we were to stay on Medicaid until our health insurance kicked in, the premium was more then we made put together. And with the rising cost of everything, it\’s almost worthwhile to consider going back on welfare now- we\’d make about the same and our kids would have better medical care.
I\’m against helping people that don\’t want to help themselves, but we have to make it at least survivable for someone to take a minimum wage job instead of welfare. It\’s sad when people can\’t afford to get a job.
After Katrina, it was shown that a lot of the people in the 9th Ward actually had jobs- but at $5 an hour they weren\’t surviving before the storm. If they had been in a better situation before the storm, they wouldn\’t have been so completely helpless after.
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Like I had said earlier you cannot judge a community based on the action of a few. Everybody complains sometime honey and some more than others. Nobody is perfect.
Please tell me what was the people of New Orleans was suppose to do when majority of the city was under water. There was little food and water there at the superdome. The superdome suffered damages its on self b/c of the storm. The weather was over a 100 degrees and people was suffering heat strokes. The elderly people in nursing homes was not taken to safety. Parents and childern was separated. Diabetics are without their medications and going into diabetic shock. Cops are shooting & beating innocent people. There is alot of blame for what happened to New Orleans and we can spend all day going back and forth about it. the bottom line is what can we do to make sure this dosent happen again.
Mary: You avoid the facts well. You still refuse to address why the citizens of New Orleans should not be held accountable. You speak only in generalities and refuse to answer why these problems did not occur anywhere but New Orleans. Apologists usually don\’t have facts though. You fit the bill to a tee! How can somone in such dire need SHOOT AT THE RELIEF WORKERS BRINGING SUPPLIES!!!!! As a civilian, would you go back to try to help someone who was shooting at you? If there were people in need, they should have taken matters into their own hands and stopped the shooting at workers. But they did not; just like they destroyed the only place they had to live, the convention center and superdome. Hold those who are accountable to blame, not those who tried to help. Stop making apologies for those who should be held accountable.
You\’re preaching on deaf ears. She claims the \”few.\” She hasn\’t a clue.
And it wasn\’t just people coming in that were being hurt and shot at. Anyone who knows someone in one of the surrounding police departments or NOPD would talk about the atrocities being committed on the women in the city. I guess rape and murder makes sense to some people when they are in need of water and food? I can tell you some stories.
They can spit their bile out against the President all they want, but the facts remain. And again, they still don\’t appear to get how they are being strung by the media. If you don\’t pay attention to the incoming politicians instead of the outgoing, you aren\’t an educated voter. And, this is what they hope for.
I guess you are saying that 100% of the people there in New Orleans was looting, and shooting, and raping, and destorying buildings. I guess that\’s why no one else in the Mississippi and Alabama area did the same. All the problem was in New Orleans, right. Everybody in New Orleans should just starve and live on the streets b/c they are not thankful for the little help they received days later. I guess we can be big brother to all the other countries and watch them burn our flag. We can go and try to help Iraq and they can shoot at us. We can send food to Africa but the millitary refuses to give it to the people in need there. Maybe thats too far from home. We can go to Florida the day after the storms. We can be in Texas before the storms hit. We can be there for California for its mudslides and wildfires. Kanas for their tornados. But it takes FOUR days for a relief packet to be signed by the President. Almost TEN days for the 2000 dollar debit cards. With the magnatude of destruction there were not even enough Nation Guards to help evaculate the people out of the city. But I keep forgetting EVERYBODY in New Orleans must be the BAD GUYS there. At least that\’s what you keep telling me. I\’ve heard at lot of stories from New Orleans some of which made me upset that my own race would do such. But most of the stories I\’ve heard of from New Orleans made me proud of my own race. Not everybody\’s community is perfect but there is always more good in the community than bad.
Oh yeah I dont vote because I learned a long time ago that my vote do not count against the electorial vote.
I asked adjusterjoe a legitimate questions- all he responded with were insults and tirades about NO. Pretty much proves the point.
My original statement had nothing to do with anything but the administration dragging it\’s heels in the face of an emergency, and the fact that people with no experience were \’given\’ jobs they had no business having because they were friends of Bush. Since he can\’t respond with facts, he changed what I said and got rude about it.
That\’s the flock of Bush sheep with live with these days.
Your desire is to give a free pass to those repsonsible. You have no desire to hold accountable those who are accountable. YOU REFUSE TO ADDRESS WHY OTHER AREAS HIT AS HARD OR HARDER HAD NONE OF THE PROBLEMS NEW ORLEANS DID. There is a correlation you REFUSE to accept. New Orleans is its own biggest problem.
Other areas hit as hard? What other area had the levees collapse and dump over 20 feet of water in their homes?
I didn\’t see people standing on rooftops with water around their ankles anywhere but NO.
I didn\’t see bodies floating by houses or stuck in trees in Miss or Al.
The houses that collapsed on the coast still left the people a way out.
And, just to add a point, anywhere that has a natural disaster has their share of looters and such. That\’s why there are curfews in cities with no electric. We had one down here for two months following Wilma for the same reasons. IF there were no police, no power, no water, no food, how fast would your city become a warzone? I\’m not defending them, I\’m simply stating that it could have been anywhere – but it\’s easier to call them names then say they deserved it.
NO just made worldwide headlines because it was already such a debacle.
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe I said that there were some people who were wrong for doing what they did. But you cannot pass the blame to the childern nor can you pass the blame to the elderly who had no way out. Yes, there were women who was raped but can you push the blame on them also. Yes, there were some people shooting at relief workers but perhaps you didnt follow the news as closely as you thought you was following it b/c the citizens did get the people who was doing the shooting and the raping, thats how the place got trashed. I can find the article for you if you dont believe me.
I hear what you are saying about adjusterjoe changing what you have said and then being rude. That\’s the game he plays. He won\’t ever change. You either agree with him or you\’re stupid or an apologist. By his logic though, he is an apologist as well. You had better not point that out to him or he will call you stupid. Anyway, I think he has some valid points, as do you and Mary R. as well.
OK, so on one hand we have honest, hardworking people who live paycheck to paycheck but are self-sufficient. There are those who work hard but need a little extra help. Then there are those who do nothing and want everything handed to them. Unfortunately, during the mass chaos and horror, it wasn\’t possible to distinguish between the \”good\” and the \”bad\” people. That\’s unfortunate because I don\’t mind helping those who need and deserve it. However, I do have a BIG problem helping those who don\’t even TRY to help themselves.
It seems as if a lot of people on this thread want to figure out what to do NEXT time… so does anyone have any good ideas?
At the risk of being called a communist again, my ideas involve changing the current system.
Working people get tax credit for child care. That doesn\’t help someone making minimum wage to pay the weekly care for child care. Instead of paying mothers to sit home with their children, give them vouchers to pay for child care while they work. And cut off their free money if they refuse. Then instead of providing Medicaid free if you\’re not working, make the premiums affordable if you\’re making minimum wage.
I\’ve been in the system- my husband\’s company was sold and my boss was killed in a plane crash in a four month period. We had one child and basically we were in a position to have to make about $13 an hour with benefits in order to make it \’worth while\’ to get jobs. And the medical benefits actually caused us to lose money because Medicaid paid for everything while we all know health insurance through employers pay for as little as possible. If we were to stay on Medicaid until our health insurance kicked in, the premium was more then we made put together. And with the rising cost of everything, it\’s almost worthwhile to consider going back on welfare now- we\’d make about the same and our kids would have better medical care.
I\’m against helping people that don\’t want to help themselves, but we have to make it at least survivable for someone to take a minimum wage job instead of welfare. It\’s sad when people can\’t afford to get a job.
After Katrina, it was shown that a lot of the people in the 9th Ward actually had jobs- but at $5 an hour they weren\’t surviving before the storm. If they had been in a better situation before the storm, they wouldn\’t have been so completely helpless after.
There\’s my $.02. Take it for what it\’s worth.