Sounds good but one of the basic flaws in governmental health care can’t be ignored. Anyone that works in insurance knows that once the profit motive is removed, the incentives to remove waste and combat fraud are removed. Under that scenario, escalating medical costs will continue to increase.
I had learned once that in a capitalistic society a free market is most efficient. Government should only become involved in situations of market failure. The fact that 1 in 7 do not have health insurance needs to be addressed; however, the converse fact that 6 in 7 do hardly suggests market failure.
And, what happens to the people that work in the health insurance industry currently? Have the dems addressed the impact socialized medicine will have on the economy if these people lose their livelihoods?
Easy Hilary answer: Health insurance industry employees will become government employees and will work dilegently like those in the post office, DMV and Departments of Insurance.
Liberals have no idea of property rights or basic economics: Supply and demand. The below quote explains why this “universal” health care idea is doomed and will only raise costs. Also, hypothetically, what is she going to do when health insurance carriers either (a) have enormous losses and have to raise prices or (b) have enourmous profits (she wants to implement a windfall tax on big oil)?
I love this quote:
People belive they have a right to health care. After all, Hillary said so, didn’t she? But you cannot receive health care unless some doctor or health practitioner surrenders some of his time – his life – to you. He may be willing to do this for compensation, but that’s his choice. You have no “right” to his time or property. You have no right to his or any other person’s life or to any portion thereof.
You’re absolutely right. Everyone has the right to his own body and that which his body produces. Now the reason that government claims this “right” is simple: they have guns and various other means to kill people who don’t do what they say.
Speaking of that, has anyone heard the one about the government admitting countless numbers of times over the past two centuries that it has absolutely no obligation or duty to provide anything to anyone? Don’t believe it? Google Bowers v DeVito to find out for yourself.
Do not waste anymore time debating Hillary & the plans she has been passing off as big ideas! I agree that it would be nice if there was a fixx in the works for some of the problems we have as a nation, however Hillary is not the answer, but merely a talking head with PMS & just enough of an education to talk in the big circles & sound like she might understand what she just said! She may have some good points, but so do all of us at times. I just hate to think that she might be the front runner & hope that the American public is not convinced that she is the man for the job! OBama isn’t the one either, VOTE REPUBLICAN!
Just a thought…but, for example, there was a situation where my fiance thought he had lost his health insurance due to an administrative error at the HR office at his company….so he and i looked at a couple of options including taking the risk of going without health insurance for a year…
i called our auto/renters insurance agent and he could offer major medical ins for a monthly premium that is roughly the same amount as a cable/internet bill or a cell phone bill….he could have easily rebudgeted, gotten rid of cable/internet as that isn’t a necessity and not seen his budget be greatly affected. (luckily his HR dept corrected the error and he has his ins back)
i think it was libby who said this earlier…people need to prioritize.
i disagree with Demos…i think most people on this site are giving logical solutions…stop giving free coverage to illegals, ask people to put down the remotes/cigarettes and go for a walk, quit suing doctors for outrageous amounts of money, and quit acting like everything should be a hand out….
It’s a beautiful sentiment. Let’s have everyone give up a small portion of their paycheck so that we can all have socialized medical coverage. Of course we already are all giving up just a tiny portion of our paychecks so that we can keep throwing money into a broken education system. And let’s not forget about the extremely diminutive portion of our paycheck that goes to social security, and this and that and everything else.
Bottom line, and yes I am a hard axx… I’ve worked hard for what I’ve got, just like all of you. I am tired of giving everything I make away. At some point and time we have to understand that we do not live in an entitlement society. If you want something, you have to work for it.
It is absolutely no suprise you have this “group” think opinion, expecially coming from San Fran – liberal capital of the world. But here is a portion of a good read explaining that GROUP theory:
(The below is quoted from an article)
On the Left you hear talk of group rights; on the Right, individual rights. That about sums it up, really: Liberals feel. Liberals care. They are pack animals whose identity is tied up in group dynamics. Conservatives and Libertarians think — and, setting aside the theocracy crowd, their identity is centered on the individual.
Liberals feel that their favored groups, have enforceable rights to the property and services of productive individuals. Conservatives think that individuals have the right to protect their lives and their property from the plunder of the masses.
In college you are taught to develope a group mentality, but if you look closely at your diploma, you will see that they have your individual names on them. Not the name of your school mascot, or of your fraternity or sorority, but your name. Liberals have been taught that the real value of any group of people – be it a social group, an employee group, a management group, whatever – is based on diversity. This is a favored liberal ideal because diversity is based not on an individual’s abilities or character, but on a person’s identity and status as a member of a group. Yes — it’s that liberal group identity thing again.
Within the great diversity movement group identification – be it racial, gender based, or some other minority status – means more than the individual’s integrity, character or other qualifications.
The political and social atmosphere now is where diversity rules, and a culture where individual achievement and excellence don’t count.
I am curious exactly where the article came from. I only think it is fair you reveal your source so we can scrutinize as you so freely scrutinize SFO based on her locality.
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Willy let someone else speak and go back to work. I think we know where you stand at this point.
Sounds good but one of the basic flaws in governmental health care can’t be ignored. Anyone that works in insurance knows that once the profit motive is removed, the incentives to remove waste and combat fraud are removed. Under that scenario, escalating medical costs will continue to increase.
I had learned once that in a capitalistic society a free market is most efficient. Government should only become involved in situations of market failure. The fact that 1 in 7 do not have health insurance needs to be addressed; however, the converse fact that 6 in 7 do hardly suggests market failure.
And, what happens to the people that work in the health insurance industry currently? Have the dems addressed the impact socialized medicine will have on the economy if these people lose their livelihoods?
Easy Hilary answer: Health insurance industry employees will become government employees and will work dilegently like those in the post office, DMV and Departments of Insurance.
Guaranteed union jobs for all!
I can see the cost savings allready
Liberals have no idea of property rights or basic economics: Supply and demand. The below quote explains why this “universal” health care idea is doomed and will only raise costs. Also, hypothetically, what is she going to do when health insurance carriers either (a) have enormous losses and have to raise prices or (b) have enourmous profits (she wants to implement a windfall tax on big oil)?
I love this quote:
People belive they have a right to health care. After all, Hillary said so, didn’t she? But you cannot receive health care unless some doctor or health practitioner surrenders some of his time – his life – to you. He may be willing to do this for compensation, but that’s his choice. You have no “right” to his time or property. You have no right to his or any other person’s life or to any portion thereof.
Alan,
You’re absolutely right. Everyone has the right to his own body and that which his body produces. Now the reason that government claims this “right” is simple: they have guns and various other means to kill people who don’t do what they say.
Speaking of that, has anyone heard the one about the government admitting countless numbers of times over the past two centuries that it has absolutely no obligation or duty to provide anything to anyone? Don’t believe it? Google Bowers v DeVito to find out for yourself.
Do not waste anymore time debating Hillary & the plans she has been passing off as big ideas! I agree that it would be nice if there was a fixx in the works for some of the problems we have as a nation, however Hillary is not the answer, but merely a talking head with PMS & just enough of an education to talk in the big circles & sound like she might understand what she just said! She may have some good points, but so do all of us at times. I just hate to think that she might be the front runner & hope that the American public is not convinced that she is the man for the job! OBama isn’t the one either, VOTE REPUBLICAN!
Just a thought…but, for example, there was a situation where my fiance thought he had lost his health insurance due to an administrative error at the HR office at his company….so he and i looked at a couple of options including taking the risk of going without health insurance for a year…
i called our auto/renters insurance agent and he could offer major medical ins for a monthly premium that is roughly the same amount as a cable/internet bill or a cell phone bill….he could have easily rebudgeted, gotten rid of cable/internet as that isn’t a necessity and not seen his budget be greatly affected. (luckily his HR dept corrected the error and he has his ins back)
i think it was libby who said this earlier…people need to prioritize.
i disagree with Demos…i think most people on this site are giving logical solutions…stop giving free coverage to illegals, ask people to put down the remotes/cigarettes and go for a walk, quit suing doctors for outrageous amounts of money, and quit acting like everything should be a hand out….
but….the operative word is logical….lol
It’s a beautiful sentiment. Let’s have everyone give up a small portion of their paycheck so that we can all have socialized medical coverage. Of course we already are all giving up just a tiny portion of our paychecks so that we can keep throwing money into a broken education system. And let’s not forget about the extremely diminutive portion of our paycheck that goes to social security, and this and that and everything else.
Bottom line, and yes I am a hard axx… I’ve worked hard for what I’ve got, just like all of you. I am tired of giving everything I make away. At some point and time we have to understand that we do not live in an entitlement society. If you want something, you have to work for it.
SFOInsuranceLady..
It is absolutely no suprise you have this “group” think opinion, expecially coming from San Fran – liberal capital of the world. But here is a portion of a good read explaining that GROUP theory:
(The below is quoted from an article)
On the Left you hear talk of group rights; on the Right, individual rights. That about sums it up, really: Liberals feel. Liberals care. They are pack animals whose identity is tied up in group dynamics. Conservatives and Libertarians think — and, setting aside the theocracy crowd, their identity is centered on the individual.
Liberals feel that their favored groups, have enforceable rights to the property and services of productive individuals. Conservatives think that individuals have the right to protect their lives and their property from the plunder of the masses.
In college you are taught to develope a group mentality, but if you look closely at your diploma, you will see that they have your individual names on them. Not the name of your school mascot, or of your fraternity or sorority, but your name. Liberals have been taught that the real value of any group of people – be it a social group, an employee group, a management group, whatever – is based on diversity. This is a favored liberal ideal because diversity is based not on an individual’s abilities or character, but on a person’s identity and status as a member of a group. Yes — it’s that liberal group identity thing again.
Within the great diversity movement group identification – be it racial, gender based, or some other minority status – means more than the individual’s integrity, character or other qualifications.
The political and social atmosphere now is where diversity rules, and a culture where individual achievement and excellence don’t count.
Alan,
I am curious exactly where the article came from. I only think it is fair you reveal your source so we can scrutinize as you so freely scrutinize SFO based on her locality.