Ok so I read it. Let’s take the control and payment of care away from the large corporations and evil insurance companies and let/force the people pay.
Say health care cost $4k per person per year ( that’s on the cheap side of todays managed care corporate prices) X 303M people = $1.2 Trillion.
Obviously the kids can’t pay. We have 180M people from 20-65 years in age who could pay. That’s $6,600 for each person over 20 and under 65.
Yes, we need to cover medicare ages as this, contrary to the government belief, is not already funded.
But hold on… there are 35M making less than $30k per year and there is no way the dems (left or center) will make them pay. (#s derived from US Census website)
So we the people will pay for the youth, elderly and the poor. Ahhh … What a nice federal ringing sound that brings to heart.
Back to math. We the 145M people paying for the $1.2T cost = $8,200 per person over 20. I am willing to commit to $16k per year for health care for my part (including wife) to have everyone covered with one caveat. “Everyone must agree and put in this amount or go to jail as a deadbeat.”
Good luck on getting this through once you explain the cost to the working class.
So that idea didn’t work… Lets try the next political shell game. Let the rich pay. Yeah… that’s the ticket! If we structure the payments according to income tax brackets then it could be spread more evenly.
Do you realize in 2006 the total individual federal income tax received was $1.2Trillion? (Wikipedia)
So, we need to collect from the people the same amount as we collected last year in federal income tax.
Double the federal income tax for individuals to get everyone healthcare.
Uh I dunno… small guess… I don’t think that will pass either.
So unless the care becomes significantly cheaper than it is today… stop….wait…. I must repost this statement I read earlier;
“People believe they have a right to health care. After all, Hillary said so, didn’t she? But you cannot receive health care unless some doctor or health practitioner surrenders some of his time – his life – to you. He may be willing to do this for compensation, but that’s his choice. You have no “right” to his time or property. You have no right to his or any other person’s life or to any portion thereof.”
I therefore believe good health care is something you must pay for personally through work and strive to make good buying decisions just like any other product .
If you have extra time/money help the poor.
Yes, even sitting here in lovely liberal Berkeleyville.. I said it.
The failure of their employers?! Yeah, that’s why people start gas stations, so they can buy health care for their employees. And if they don’t like it, Hillary will just garnishee everyone’s wages. That’s what Amerika is all about.
OMG!! Who is going to decide who can afford it? Will they go through your budget and determine what other obligations you have, what family you’re supporting or maybe she’ll get your mortgage/rent payment reduced so that you can afford health care. I believe that there should be healthcare coverage for every American but this is a bit too Big Brother for me.
Anyone who needs “free” health care should submit a budget and personal finance plan. My guess is that once you cut out the cigarettes, lottery tickets, booze, paying premiums for groceries at 7 Eleven, unneccesary cell phone, cable bill, etc you could find enough to pay for healthcare. Then we would only have a small problem.
Of all the candidates running for president — both Republicans and Democrats — the one who has raised the most in campaign contributions from the insurance industry is Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.). http://www.pianet.com/NewsCenter/BizPolitics/1-8-08-6.htm
Libby, I love your point, but if you can’t force people to have health ins…you can’t force them to be healthy and make good decisions regarding their lives either. :)
Oh brother. The problem is that adding 40+ million to the roles of the insured – people who often DON’T WANT insurance and pay for health care out of pocket, will increase the price for all because of the increase in demand. Therefore, most people will only be able to afford the govt subsidized plan. Therefore, people who now can afford their own insurance will be forced into the govt plan.
Don’t think for a minute that she and her cohorts don’t realize this. They are trying to control a huge part of our economy – not to mention a huge part of your life. Grow up people!
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“Clinton said such measures would apply only to workers who can afford health coverage but refuse to buy it.”
What a line of BS and it is surprising just how many people are falling for it!
Just one question… who is going to define “who can afford it”?
Ok so I read it. Let’s take the control and payment of care away from the large corporations and evil insurance companies and let/force the people pay.
Say health care cost $4k per person per year ( that’s on the cheap side of todays managed care corporate prices) X 303M people = $1.2 Trillion.
Obviously the kids can’t pay. We have 180M people from 20-65 years in age who could pay. That’s $6,600 for each person over 20 and under 65.
Yes, we need to cover medicare ages as this, contrary to the government belief, is not already funded.
But hold on… there are 35M making less than $30k per year and there is no way the dems (left or center) will make them pay. (#s derived from US Census website)
So we the people will pay for the youth, elderly and the poor. Ahhh … What a nice federal ringing sound that brings to heart.
Back to math. We the 145M people paying for the $1.2T cost = $8,200 per person over 20. I am willing to commit to $16k per year for health care for my part (including wife) to have everyone covered with one caveat. “Everyone must agree and put in this amount or go to jail as a deadbeat.”
Good luck on getting this through once you explain the cost to the working class.
So that idea didn’t work… Lets try the next political shell game. Let the rich pay. Yeah… that’s the ticket! If we structure the payments according to income tax brackets then it could be spread more evenly.
Do you realize in 2006 the total individual federal income tax received was $1.2Trillion? (Wikipedia)
So, we need to collect from the people the same amount as we collected last year in federal income tax.
Double the federal income tax for individuals to get everyone healthcare.
Uh I dunno… small guess… I don’t think that will pass either.
So unless the care becomes significantly cheaper than it is today… stop….wait…. I must repost this statement I read earlier;
“People believe they have a right to health care. After all, Hillary said so, didn’t she? But you cannot receive health care unless some doctor or health practitioner surrenders some of his time – his life – to you. He may be willing to do this for compensation, but that’s his choice. You have no “right” to his time or property. You have no right to his or any other person’s life or to any portion thereof.”
I therefore believe good health care is something you must pay for personally through work and strive to make good buying decisions just like any other product .
If you have extra time/money help the poor.
Yes, even sitting here in lovely liberal Berkeleyville.. I said it.
Of all the stupid comments! Yes, let’s punish the uninsured for the failure of their employers to provide them with coverage.
The failure of their employers?! Yeah, that’s why people start gas stations, so they can buy health care for their employees. And if they don’t like it, Hillary will just garnishee everyone’s wages. That’s what Amerika is all about.
I have always been worried about “Big Brother” only to find I should have been worried about “Big Mother!” Mamma Mia!
OMG!! Who is going to decide who can afford it? Will they go through your budget and determine what other obligations you have, what family you’re supporting or maybe she’ll get your mortgage/rent payment reduced so that you can afford health care. I believe that there should be healthcare coverage for every American but this is a bit too Big Brother for me.
Anyone who needs “free” health care should submit a budget and personal finance plan. My guess is that once you cut out the cigarettes, lottery tickets, booze, paying premiums for groceries at 7 Eleven, unneccesary cell phone, cable bill, etc you could find enough to pay for healthcare. Then we would only have a small problem.
Of all the candidates running for president — both Republicans and Democrats — the one who has raised the most in campaign contributions from the insurance industry is Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).
http://www.pianet.com/NewsCenter/BizPolitics/1-8-08-6.htm
She just cares soooo much.
Libby, I love your point, but if you can’t force people to have health ins…you can’t force them to be healthy and make good decisions regarding their lives either. :)
“Then we would only have a small problem.”
Oh brother. The problem is that adding 40+ million to the roles of the insured – people who often DON’T WANT insurance and pay for health care out of pocket, will increase the price for all because of the increase in demand. Therefore, most people will only be able to afford the govt subsidized plan. Therefore, people who now can afford their own insurance will be forced into the govt plan.
Don’t think for a minute that she and her cohorts don’t realize this. They are trying to control a huge part of our economy – not to mention a huge part of your life. Grow up people!