I feel the same way. Apparently I don’t have to look too far for racism – I guess you didn’t check out the posts under the Fedex lawsuit section.
If people concentrated more on intellectual prowess than athleticism then believe me, alot of sports programs across this country would go to hell in a hand basket – who is mostly given scholarships to play certain sports i.e. football & basketball? It’s not genetics that makes people better, it’s practice! This young lady involved in this lawsuit has both intellectual and athletic prowess. Rutgers has a fine reputation. If someone put a bug in her ear so be it — I would sue too and use the money to further fund my education because she’s going to need it to fall back on.
If I had enough money, I would send all my people to school and have athletics as a sideline not as a ticket out. Unfortunately for a fair amount of minority students, athletics is a way out. I really don’t know what economic background this young lady comes from but may be taking this personally and this the lawsuit. Slander is also a legal term. Imus is old enough to know better whether he’s always been saying these things or not.
Of course athletes are way overpaid — everyone knows that. My mom is in teaching for crying out loud. On the other hand, it’s about time for people of color to get paid for their skills and I personally agree to get their education too. That’s on them if they buy the Bentley and not a $100,000 degree. I’d rather the degree first (which I do) and then the nice car if I can afford it.
Greyboomer,
I don’t have deep pockets but if if you want to bring on a lawsuit go ahead and we’ll see each other in court. Bring it on buddy. I’ll just the get the money I need from the Insurance Journal (it’s called s-u–b-r-o-g-a-t-i-o-n). You can slander if you want but anyone can write “oops I really meant this not that” as a way of covering themselves.
A lot of these posts are just dumb. All of the bickering, arguing, the going back and forth…trying to get the other person to see your view and respect it. I have seen none of that in a lot of these posts. Just about everyone ganging up on African Pride, she trying to fight back to make you understand her situation. Where does all of this arguing get you? No where, because too many people are too stubborn and set in their own ways and views to even remotely understand someone elses position. That is what is ultimately going on here. And to KLS, why defend Woo? And to Woo, why can’t you explain yourself? Why do you speak in such broad terms? Are you trying to get people to think you are a racist because I think that you are and I have yet to see you say otherwise. Am I wrong? You tell me. Quit being such a chickens**t, grow some balls and tell us what you mean.
Thank you for a lengthy, albeit misguided commentary.
Although African Pride and now, apparently you, chose to make this an issue of race, and opt to brand those with whom you disagree as “racists”, such is far from the case. In fact, it would be interesting to know when, in the course of conversation over the last few days you concluded that African Pride was a Black person, because there are more than a few Caucasian Africans in the world. If you reached that conclusion on the strength of the word “African”, one might think that you were grouping all African people together and attributing common characteristics to all. Almost by definition, that would make you a “racist”, would it not?
You opine that I have not “explained myself”. What more is there to explain, and who are you to ask? My position would be the same whether the aggrieved party were a Black person whose feelings were hurt by Imus’ ranting, or a 64 year old who felt entitled to an “Early Bird Special” price at a restaurant but did not qualify for it due to the rules of the restaurant.
Race (or age, in the above example)are not the issues. Hyper-sensitivity and an over-riding sense of entitlement are the issues.
Depends on your point of view. I didn’t view it as a defense of Woo so much as explaining the different perspectives African Pride and I have regarding Woo’s comments, which I still don’t believe were racist.
Again, this is just my opinion. It really isn’t a big deal. Simply having a discussion with some folks because topics like this are a source of curiosity for me… That’s all.
What was “stupid” to you? That fact that people are discussing these things or the manner in which some are discussing it?
People like to express themselves and share opinions. Like all things, we have a variety of personalities here and with that has come a lot of colorful comments. Not excusing anyone, just saying it goes with the territory.
KLS, I think that the manner is way things are being discussed is stupid. I am like you and interested in topics such as this because it does raise my curiousity but they way some people discuss these topics is what disgusts me. I want to see the world through other people’s eyes, not close myself off to my own views. That to me is ignorance.
Woo, I am not a racist. I never said that she was Black, White or any color nor did I imply that. I simply said that she is being ganged up on and she is just defending her position (her point of view). How does that make me a racist? She thinks that you are a racist and I can’t say, to some degree, that I blame her. My comments may have been a bit misguided but unfortunately you have not done a whole lot to point me in the right direction, until now. When KLS gave his opinion about your comments I agreed that he could be right about some of the things, but by you saying “Eloquent and insightful” and then you thanked him. You never confirmed that he was right or wrong or if he was even remotely close. Again you left it open for interpretation, that is the problem I have with you. When you leave things open for interpretation you are going to get many different views. I don’t know if that is what you are trying to do, but if so I can tell you that it is working.
Did you even read your post before sending it? The title is a good indication of your tone. I have watched Woo and African Pride go back and forth to see who can be more racist in their comments. Neither has been respectful in their postings. They certainly can’t expect respect back. If you or they can’t stand the heat, don’t post on this site. Anyone who posts on here will catch flack no matter what their tone or opinion. Only big boys and girls need apply.
I can’t help but wonder how many of my fellow posters opinions on this topic are based on actually having heard exactly what Imus said and how many are based solely on what the media outlets have reported? IMHO the media has taken what he said, albeit crass, just a bit out of context in their reporting.
KLS – African Pride sees the glass as neither half full or half empty. He sees it as a vessel of racism since that glass was most likley made by the hands of a white man.
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I feel the same way. Apparently I don’t have to look too far for racism – I guess you didn’t check out the posts under the Fedex lawsuit section.
If people concentrated more on intellectual prowess than athleticism then believe me, alot of sports programs across this country would go to hell in a hand basket – who is mostly given scholarships to play certain sports i.e. football & basketball? It’s not genetics that makes people better, it’s practice! This young lady involved in this lawsuit has both intellectual and athletic prowess. Rutgers has a fine reputation. If someone put a bug in her ear so be it — I would sue too and use the money to further fund my education because she’s going to need it to fall back on.
If I had enough money, I would send all my people to school and have athletics as a sideline not as a ticket out. Unfortunately for a fair amount of minority students, athletics is a way out. I really don’t know what economic background this young lady comes from but may be taking this personally and this the lawsuit. Slander is also a legal term. Imus is old enough to know better whether he’s always been saying these things or not.
Of course athletes are way overpaid — everyone knows that. My mom is in teaching for crying out loud. On the other hand, it’s about time for people of color to get paid for their skills and I personally agree to get their education too. That’s on them if they buy the Bentley and not a $100,000 degree. I’d rather the degree first (which I do) and then the nice car if I can afford it.
Greyboomer,
I don’t have deep pockets but if if you want to bring on a lawsuit go ahead and we’ll see each other in court. Bring it on buddy. I’ll just the get the money I need from the Insurance Journal (it’s called s-u–b-r-o-g-a-t-i-o-n). You can slander if you want but anyone can write “oops I really meant this not that” as a way of covering themselves.
A lot of these posts are just dumb. All of the bickering, arguing, the going back and forth…trying to get the other person to see your view and respect it. I have seen none of that in a lot of these posts. Just about everyone ganging up on African Pride, she trying to fight back to make you understand her situation. Where does all of this arguing get you? No where, because too many people are too stubborn and set in their own ways and views to even remotely understand someone elses position. That is what is ultimately going on here. And to KLS, why defend Woo? And to Woo, why can’t you explain yourself? Why do you speak in such broad terms? Are you trying to get people to think you are a racist because I think that you are and I have yet to see you say otherwise. Am I wrong? You tell me. Quit being such a chickens**t, grow some balls and tell us what you mean.
Thank you for a lengthy, albeit misguided commentary.
Although African Pride and now, apparently you, chose to make this an issue of race, and opt to brand those with whom you disagree as “racists”, such is far from the case. In fact, it would be interesting to know when, in the course of conversation over the last few days you concluded that African Pride was a Black person, because there are more than a few Caucasian Africans in the world. If you reached that conclusion on the strength of the word “African”, one might think that you were grouping all African people together and attributing common characteristics to all. Almost by definition, that would make you a “racist”, would it not?
You opine that I have not “explained myself”. What more is there to explain, and who are you to ask? My position would be the same whether the aggrieved party were a Black person whose feelings were hurt by Imus’ ranting, or a 64 year old who felt entitled to an “Early Bird Special” price at a restaurant but did not qualify for it due to the rules of the restaurant.
Race (or age, in the above example)are not the issues. Hyper-sensitivity and an over-riding sense of entitlement are the issues.
Depends on your point of view. I didn’t view it as a defense of Woo so much as explaining the different perspectives African Pride and I have regarding Woo’s comments, which I still don’t believe were racist.
Again, this is just my opinion. It really isn’t a big deal. Simply having a discussion with some folks because topics like this are a source of curiosity for me… That’s all.
What was “stupid” to you? That fact that people are discussing these things or the manner in which some are discussing it?
People like to express themselves and share opinions. Like all things, we have a variety of personalities here and with that has come a lot of colorful comments. Not excusing anyone, just saying it goes with the territory.
KLS, I think that the manner is way things are being discussed is stupid. I am like you and interested in topics such as this because it does raise my curiousity but they way some people discuss these topics is what disgusts me. I want to see the world through other people’s eyes, not close myself off to my own views. That to me is ignorance.
Woo, I am not a racist. I never said that she was Black, White or any color nor did I imply that. I simply said that she is being ganged up on and she is just defending her position (her point of view). How does that make me a racist? She thinks that you are a racist and I can’t say, to some degree, that I blame her. My comments may have been a bit misguided but unfortunately you have not done a whole lot to point me in the right direction, until now. When KLS gave his opinion about your comments I agreed that he could be right about some of the things, but by you saying “Eloquent and insightful” and then you thanked him. You never confirmed that he was right or wrong or if he was even remotely close. Again you left it open for interpretation, that is the problem I have with you. When you leave things open for interpretation you are going to get many different views. I don’t know if that is what you are trying to do, but if so I can tell you that it is working.
Did you even read your post before sending it? The title is a good indication of your tone. I have watched Woo and African Pride go back and forth to see who can be more racist in their comments. Neither has been respectful in their postings. They certainly can’t expect respect back. If you or they can’t stand the heat, don’t post on this site. Anyone who posts on here will catch flack no matter what their tone or opinion. Only big boys and girls need apply.
no suits here. except for the nice new one i just bought from norstroms. LOL.
again sorry brian, didn’t mean to come across as an a-hole in my post.
Bravo KLS. A perfect post.
I can’t help but wonder how many of my fellow posters opinions on this topic are based on actually having heard exactly what Imus said and how many are based solely on what the media outlets have reported? IMHO the media has taken what he said, albeit crass, just a bit out of context in their reporting.
KLS – African Pride sees the glass as neither half full or half empty. He sees it as a vessel of racism since that glass was most likley made by the hands of a white man.