Jack, you must be a lib, as you want to restrict any free speech that you don’t agree with. I am actually surprised at these responses. I am not saying a woman does not have any worth. I am just advocating a better life for her children. Numerous studies show that kids who have at least one parent at home during the day and not just pushed into daycare do better at school and turn out to be better behaved and emotionally balanced children. If you look at what I am saying, It reflects that I believe women are far superior to men when raising young children. They have the nuturing gene that most men lack. I just have such a big issue with all of the feminists and women who think they should have it all and the children suffer becuase of it. As far as my insurance skills go, your way off base Jack.
All companies look at many factors to decide which employee to hire over another. There is ALWAYS discrimination between one applicant and the next. If this woman and the one they hired were of equal talent/skills, what mgr in his/her right mind would hire the one with more family responsibility? That may not have been the real reason she wasn’t hired, but I have seen managers throw out something stupid like that as opposed to telling the prospective employee that they just weren’t good enough. If the boss said that the woman just wasn’t talented enough to move up, he/she probably would have lost them as an employee.
Wait a second Willy and Compman, let me get in my wayback machine and join you guys in the year 1955.
I firmly disagree with you, Compman, when you say women have a “nurture gene” that men don’t. Based on my experience, I find men often can, and do, be better at nurturing than a woman. Both my father and husband were better at nurturing small children than me and my mother. Now that the kids are getting older, I seem to have the better grip on dealing with teen and pre-teen angst. It’s an even balance.
And Willy, is the best role model my kids can see me in is as a mother, even if it is as a tremendously disatisfied and resentful mother? It’s not about my personal happiness. It’s about what works for my family. Join the 21st century. I respect women who choose to stay home. I also celebrate women who have to earn a paycheck, and find a way to make it not only work for their family, but make it better for themselves.
I want to know in what context they used the expression, “your plate is too full.” If it was work related and they felt she wasn’t in a position to handle more work related responsibilities then I don’t understand her problem.
You know what I have a problem with? I see managers (men and women) take time off all the time to take a sick kid to the doc to see a school play, to go visit relatives, but when one of the pee-ons needs time off to tend to a sick kid, THEN we have a problem, then you get written up by the same manager who just took an afternoon off to go play at the pumkin patch with their kid. Whatever.
I am HOPING that compman’s comments are targed at SOCIETY and not women. I too wish we lived in a society where ONE parent (either the mother or the father) could stay home with kids). But there are just too many of us that need a two income home.
FYI – i don’t have kids…but I was a kid once…so I know how it goes.
The amazing thing here is that the boneheads bosses who made the promotion decision, didn’t know enough to say the right thing afterwards.
As for compman’s statements that women are better at men than taking care of kids, that’s irrelevant. ( and largely untrue, I believe ) Its not this companies job to make sure her kids are well taken care of. They are supposed to promote the best person. If her kids were an obstacle to her performace it would have come up already. At 6 years old they are entering school and she’s going to have more time than she has for the last 6 years.
None of us should judge what’s best for these kids, unless we know the details of the family situation. Maybe the mother makes considerably more than the father can, and ( playing along with the dinosaur point of view here ) the less capable parent providing child care with a larger income is better than the “better” parent staying home and getting a smaller income.
The thing is though, gender based parenting skills, what’s best for the family, and this woman’s situation are completely unrelated to this case. Maybe she duct tapes the kids in the basement or leaves them with the crack heads on the corner….she’s found a way to do her job and if her allegations are true, she’s being held back by someone else’s preconceived ideas, and that’s wrong.
Women most-certainly are naturally better at raising a child.
I think the interesting thing here is that she was most-likely passed up for another reason, but in order to gain some limelight, and maybe even a possible settlement, she has sued because of her children.
I’m sick of people claiming one thing or another because they were not promoted. Did anyone ever stop and think that it might just be because you weren’t the best person for the job?
There is a good article about this in the latest copy of CPCU news. One of the results of teaching our kids that “everyone is special” and everyone always wins in sports is that they begin to believe that they have special entitlements in life. This poor woman probably missed the promotion because she didn’t have the capacity for it but is suing now because her narcissistic personality can’t accept that another person may be more suited to the role. Rather than challenge her misguided self-worth, she is challenging the companies indignity of passing her up.
If she wasn’t the best person for the job that’s fine…not everyone deserves a promotion. BUT…she should have been told that, and given concrete reasons for her failure to advance. She was told she was going to get a promotion, got excellent reviews, and was told she had too much on her plate, and ” it wasn’t anything you did or didn’t do”
Those bosses who said those things are idiots. I am never amazed that people make decisions for unfair reasons…but I am constantly amazed that they don’t know enough to not reveal that to others.
In all fairness, we don’t know what she was told. She is alleging that she was told she has too much on her plate. There is no concrete evidence that she was ever told this.
I would hope a full investigation would accompany this lawsuit.
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Jack, you must be a lib, as you want to restrict any free speech that you don’t agree with. I am actually surprised at these responses. I am not saying a woman does not have any worth. I am just advocating a better life for her children. Numerous studies show that kids who have at least one parent at home during the day and not just pushed into daycare do better at school and turn out to be better behaved and emotionally balanced children. If you look at what I am saying, It reflects that I believe women are far superior to men when raising young children. They have the nuturing gene that most men lack. I just have such a big issue with all of the feminists and women who think they should have it all and the children suffer becuase of it. As far as my insurance skills go, your way off base Jack.
Compman…Someday when you grow up, you can post again.
All companies look at many factors to decide which employee to hire over another. There is ALWAYS discrimination between one applicant and the next. If this woman and the one they hired were of equal talent/skills, what mgr in his/her right mind would hire the one with more family responsibility? That may not have been the real reason she wasn’t hired, but I have seen managers throw out something stupid like that as opposed to telling the prospective employee that they just weren’t good enough. If the boss said that the woman just wasn’t talented enough to move up, he/she probably would have lost them as an employee.
Wait a second Willy and Compman, let me get in my wayback machine and join you guys in the year 1955.
I firmly disagree with you, Compman, when you say women have a “nurture gene” that men don’t. Based on my experience, I find men often can, and do, be better at nurturing than a woman. Both my father and husband were better at nurturing small children than me and my mother. Now that the kids are getting older, I seem to have the better grip on dealing with teen and pre-teen angst. It’s an even balance.
And Willy, is the best role model my kids can see me in is as a mother, even if it is as a tremendously disatisfied and resentful mother? It’s not about my personal happiness. It’s about what works for my family. Join the 21st century. I respect women who choose to stay home. I also celebrate women who have to earn a paycheck, and find a way to make it not only work for their family, but make it better for themselves.
I want to know in what context they used the expression, “your plate is too full.” If it was work related and they felt she wasn’t in a position to handle more work related responsibilities then I don’t understand her problem.
You know what I have a problem with? I see managers (men and women) take time off all the time to take a sick kid to the doc to see a school play, to go visit relatives, but when one of the pee-ons needs time off to tend to a sick kid, THEN we have a problem, then you get written up by the same manager who just took an afternoon off to go play at the pumkin patch with their kid. Whatever.
I am HOPING that compman’s comments are targed at SOCIETY and not women. I too wish we lived in a society where ONE parent (either the mother or the father) could stay home with kids). But there are just too many of us that need a two income home.
FYI – i don’t have kids…but I was a kid once…so I know how it goes.
The amazing thing here is that the boneheads bosses who made the promotion decision, didn’t know enough to say the right thing afterwards.
As for compman’s statements that women are better at men than taking care of kids, that’s irrelevant. ( and largely untrue, I believe ) Its not this companies job to make sure her kids are well taken care of. They are supposed to promote the best person. If her kids were an obstacle to her performace it would have come up already. At 6 years old they are entering school and she’s going to have more time than she has for the last 6 years.
None of us should judge what’s best for these kids, unless we know the details of the family situation. Maybe the mother makes considerably more than the father can, and ( playing along with the dinosaur point of view here ) the less capable parent providing child care with a larger income is better than the “better” parent staying home and getting a smaller income.
The thing is though, gender based parenting skills, what’s best for the family, and this woman’s situation are completely unrelated to this case. Maybe she duct tapes the kids in the basement or leaves them with the crack heads on the corner….she’s found a way to do her job and if her allegations are true, she’s being held back by someone else’s preconceived ideas, and that’s wrong.
Women most-certainly are naturally better at raising a child.
I think the interesting thing here is that she was most-likely passed up for another reason, but in order to gain some limelight, and maybe even a possible settlement, she has sued because of her children.
I’m sick of people claiming one thing or another because they were not promoted. Did anyone ever stop and think that it might just be because you weren’t the best person for the job?
There is a good article about this in the latest copy of CPCU news. One of the results of teaching our kids that “everyone is special” and everyone always wins in sports is that they begin to believe that they have special entitlements in life. This poor woman probably missed the promotion because she didn’t have the capacity for it but is suing now because her narcissistic personality can’t accept that another person may be more suited to the role. Rather than challenge her misguided self-worth, she is challenging the companies indignity of passing her up.
If she wasn’t the best person for the job that’s fine…not everyone deserves a promotion. BUT…she should have been told that, and given concrete reasons for her failure to advance. She was told she was going to get a promotion, got excellent reviews, and was told she had too much on her plate, and ” it wasn’t anything you did or didn’t do”
Those bosses who said those things are idiots. I am never amazed that people make decisions for unfair reasons…but I am constantly amazed that they don’t know enough to not reveal that to others.
In all fairness, we don’t know what she was told. She is alleging that she was told she has too much on her plate. There is no concrete evidence that she was ever told this.
I would hope a full investigation would accompany this lawsuit.