Wow, and here I thought that the pilgrims came here to worhip and beleive according to their consciences. Please allow me to quote some influential Americans from days gone by who might disagree with you:
“The real object of the [First] Amendment was not to countenance, much less advance, Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity by prostrating Chrisianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects.” \”Christianity becomes not merely an auxiliary, but a guide, to the law of nature; establishing its conclusions, removing its doubts, and evaluating its precepts.\” -Joseph Story, Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court 1811-1845, founder of Harvard Law School.
\”The American population is entirely Christian, and with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit relations with it.\” -John Marshall, Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court from 1801-1835.
\”We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.\” -Congress of the United States of America.
\”Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.\” -John Jay, First Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and co-author of the Federalist Papers.
\”No free government now exists in the world, unless where Christianity is acknowledged, and is the religion of the country.\” -Pennsylvania Supreme Court, 1824. Updegraph v. Commonwealth; 11 Serg. & R. 393, 406.
\”The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.\” -Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration of Independence.
Oh, and here’s a quote from someone on your side â€â€Ŕ tell me please, who wants to dictate to others:
“…if American champions of civil liberty could all think in terms of economic freedom as the goal of their labors, they too would accept ‘workers’ democracy’ as far superior to what the capitalist world offers to any but a small minority. Yes, and they would accept  regretfully, of course  the necessity of dictatorship while the job of reorganizing society on a socialist basis is being done.” “I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the State itself as an instrument of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.” -Roger Baldwin, Unitarian, Founding Director of the American Civil Liberties Union.
Secular liberalism is also a religion. It\’s main prophets are Marx, Darwin and Freud, its scriptures are their books and rantings, its holy land is Moscow (oops!), its temples are public schools, its sacrament is abortion, and its preachers are the mainstream press. Everyone of these people or entities is totally discredited.
So go on and bash the basis for western civilization. Whaddya gonna replace it with? Right now tolerance for \”gays\” and hating Bush is all y\’all got going for your side. Good luck!
I am for same-sex marriage, but the majority isn\’t. The matter keeps getting voted down, so obviously the majority of our democracy doesn\’t support it.
When the majority is for it, let it happen. Until then, quit picking on each other about grammatical errors, and have an intelligent discussion.
Pat – are you at work today?? Does your boss know how much time you\’re spending posting to bulletin boards and looking up quotes on company time? Maybe you should see this other article on Insurance Journal today, about employee productivity (or lack of): http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2006/07/19/70586.htm
BTW – some of your quotes proved my point. Thanks.
My statement about \”what the Bible says is irrelevant…\” was taken out of context by \”what is wrong today\” – I was speaking in the context of the LAW and Gay Marriage, not in moral code of conduct or personal beliefs.
This is not the forum for a discussion about the Bible. This is Insurance and the law, and I still think that a gay couple should be allowed the same rights LEGALLY as a straight couple.
As an insurance adjuster I do have some questions about a loss of consortium claim where the tort began before the union was created but I see no reason why this relationship sanctioned by the CT legislature should be treated any different than when a man and woman enter into a legal marriage. That this is much ado about nothing as can be seen by the fact that the lawyer for the doctor does not intend to challenge the claim by the partner.
While not directly relevant to the legal issue in the article, I might as well throw my two cents in regarding the overall issue– I don\’t feel that my marriage to the woman I have loved for over 30 years and who, with a little help from me, raised our three children, is in any way diminished if other couples who are of the same sex are allowed to marry also. How do gay marriages in any way threaten or lessen in value what I have? How do gay marriages threaten any marriage of a man and woman? Again, much ado about nothing.
“Gay” marriage devalues marriage because it changes the institution from an exclusive covenant between a man and a woman to…. What? Two women? Three men? Two women and three men? I and the billions of others who married into Set A. are now going to be identified with Set B. against our wills. In Sweden, where gay “marriage” has been around forever, hetero-marriage rates have plummeted for this reason: marriage is seen to be less meaningful now that it is open to people in unnatural relationships.
Also, since tragically, children can now be adopted by “gays” in some states, it consigns some children to families that will never have a father or a mother, as the case may be.
The fact that this can even be debated seriously is not only a sign of cultural decline, but suggests that homosexuals will stop at nothing to pervert everything in order to make themselves seem normal. There are already rumblings among homos about how churches that do not marry or ordain them should be penalized by the govt. They will destroy everything that makes them feel bad.
It is true that Sweden and other European countries have had civil unions for about ten years but where is the proof of causation for any decrease in the marriage rate???? Sweden has a much lower rate of teen pregnancies then we do. Is that also the result of civil unions? If so, should the Federal government require states to adopt civil union laws????
I guess we should just agree to disagree as I still do not see my marriage devalued or the covenant with my wife to be any less exclusive.
As to the issue of cultural decline I have heard people say this for decades but the world still seems to be doing ok. When I started in insurance it was a world where all middle and upper level people in the company were white and male and all the \”girls\” were clerks and were usually white women as blacks weren\’t hired for any positions (and still were at the back of the bus when I was very young in some parts of the US.)Everyone smoked at their desk and environmentalism was some crazy idea as everyone knew smokestacks meant progress and were good things.Drunk drivers were often simply told to be more careful if stopped by the police as it was no big deal and you could always plead any DWI ticket if you got one down to an equipment violation. You never heard about incest or child molestation because no one ever talked about it other than in whisphers and rape was usually the woman\’s fault. You had no OSHA or mine safety laws — I remember when 5 or ten miners dying as happened in this last year was not big news as it recently was as it happened all the time.
As you can probably tell, I am in favor of \”cultural decline\” and hope it continues.
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Wow, and here I thought that the pilgrims came here to worhip and beleive according to their consciences. Please allow me to quote some influential Americans from days gone by who might disagree with you:
“The real object of the [First] Amendment was not to countenance, much less advance, Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity by prostrating Chrisianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects.” \”Christianity becomes not merely an auxiliary, but a guide, to the law of nature; establishing its conclusions, removing its doubts, and evaluating its precepts.\” -Joseph Story, Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court 1811-1845, founder of Harvard Law School.
\”The American population is entirely Christian, and with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit relations with it.\” -John Marshall, Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court from 1801-1835.
\”We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.\” -Congress of the United States of America.
\”Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.\” -John Jay, First Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and co-author of the Federalist Papers.
\”No free government now exists in the world, unless where Christianity is acknowledged, and is the religion of the country.\” -Pennsylvania Supreme Court, 1824. Updegraph v. Commonwealth; 11 Serg. & R. 393, 406.
\”The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.\” -Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration of Independence.
Oh, and here’s a quote from someone on your side â€â€Ŕ tell me please, who wants to dictate to others:
“…if American champions of civil liberty could all think in terms of economic freedom as the goal of their labors, they too would accept ‘workers’ democracy’ as far superior to what the capitalist world offers to any but a small minority. Yes, and they would accept  regretfully, of course  the necessity of dictatorship while the job of reorganizing society on a socialist basis is being done.” “I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the State itself as an instrument of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.” -Roger Baldwin, Unitarian, Founding Director of the American Civil Liberties Union.
What the Bible says is irrelevant, as that is the basis of a religious belief system.
Secular liberalism is also a religion. It\’s main prophets are Marx, Darwin and Freud, its scriptures are their books and rantings, its holy land is Moscow (oops!), its temples are public schools, its sacrament is abortion, and its preachers are the mainstream press. Everyone of these people or entities is totally discredited.
So go on and bash the basis for western civilization. Whaddya gonna replace it with? Right now tolerance for \”gays\” and hating Bush is all y\’all got going for your side. Good luck!
Just Tired has it right.
I am for same-sex marriage, but the majority isn\’t. The matter keeps getting voted down, so obviously the majority of our democracy doesn\’t support it.
When the majority is for it, let it happen. Until then, quit picking on each other about grammatical errors, and have an intelligent discussion.
Pat – are you at work today?? Does your boss know how much time you\’re spending posting to bulletin boards and looking up quotes on company time? Maybe you should see this other article on Insurance Journal today, about employee productivity (or lack of):
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2006/07/19/70586.htm
BTW – some of your quotes proved my point. Thanks.
My statement about \”what the Bible says is irrelevant…\” was taken out of context by \”what is wrong today\” – I was speaking in the context of the LAW and Gay Marriage, not in moral code of conduct or personal beliefs.
This is not the forum for a discussion about the Bible. This is Insurance and the law, and I still think that a gay couple should be allowed the same rights LEGALLY as a straight couple.
So you decide what this forum is? I thought you were for free speech?
Gotcha, both sides of the mouth resulting in slobber.
Bye you all, some of us do have to work
you missed the point completely. none of us are god.
all about free speech, but time & place people… time & place….
just not appropriate – think.
As an insurance adjuster I do have some questions about a loss of consortium claim where the tort began before the union was created but I see no reason why this relationship sanctioned by the CT legislature should be treated any different than when a man and woman enter into a legal marriage. That this is much ado about nothing as can be seen by the fact that the lawyer for the doctor does not intend to challenge the claim by the partner.
While not directly relevant to the legal issue in the article, I might as well throw my two cents in regarding the overall issue– I don\’t feel that my marriage to the woman I have loved for over 30 years and who, with a little help from me, raised our three children, is in any way diminished if other couples who are of the same sex are allowed to marry also. How do gay marriages in any way threaten or lessen in value what I have? How do gay marriages threaten any marriage of a man and woman? Again, much ado about nothing.
“Gay” marriage devalues marriage because it changes the institution from an exclusive covenant between a man and a woman to…. What? Two women? Three men? Two women and three men? I and the billions of others who married into Set A. are now going to be identified with Set B. against our wills. In Sweden, where gay “marriage” has been around forever, hetero-marriage rates have plummeted for this reason: marriage is seen to be less meaningful now that it is open to people in unnatural relationships.
Also, since tragically, children can now be adopted by “gays” in some states, it consigns some children to families that will never have a father or a mother, as the case may be.
The fact that this can even be debated seriously is not only a sign of cultural decline, but suggests that homosexuals will stop at nothing to pervert everything in order to make themselves seem normal. There are already rumblings among homos about how churches that do not marry or ordain them should be penalized by the govt. They will destroy everything that makes them feel bad.
It is true that Sweden and other European countries have had civil unions for about ten years but where is the proof of causation for any decrease in the marriage rate???? Sweden has a much lower rate of teen pregnancies then we do. Is that also the result of civil unions? If so, should the Federal government require states to adopt civil union laws????
I guess we should just agree to disagree as I still do not see my marriage devalued or the covenant with my wife to be any less exclusive.
As to the issue of cultural decline I have heard people say this for decades but the world still seems to be doing ok. When I started in insurance it was a world where all middle and upper level people in the company were white and male and all the \”girls\” were clerks and were usually white women as blacks weren\’t hired for any positions (and still were at the back of the bus when I was very young in some parts of the US.)Everyone smoked at their desk and environmentalism was some crazy idea as everyone knew smokestacks meant progress and were good things.Drunk drivers were often simply told to be more careful if stopped by the police as it was no big deal and you could always plead any DWI ticket if you got one down to an equipment violation. You never heard about incest or child molestation because no one ever talked about it other than in whisphers and rape was usually the woman\’s fault. You had no OSHA or mine safety laws — I remember when 5 or ten miners dying as happened in this last year was not big news as it recently was as it happened all the time.
As you can probably tell, I am in favor of \”cultural decline\” and hope it continues.