81 Dems voted to go to war. John Kerry and Bill’s ol’ lade et al were all on board. Even Silky Pony Boy voted for it. Now it’s “Bush lied.” I don’t get it.
12 years of catholic education, 4 years o college, 50 years of searching, that’s my background. The Bible is based on several thousands of years of oral tradition for the old testament and a couple of centuries for the new testament. Not a word was written until the common era and in 325 AD, MEN decided what text to include and what to throw out. Now the coptic texts are coming back, as in the Da Vinci Code and the Gospel according to Judas. The point is that none of this is PROVEN but rather is faith based. A lack of proof does not mean that there isn’t a deity anymore than a lack of proof means that there is. What it probably does mean is that we just don’t know enough about a deity to be able to discern one. To paraphrase Pliny the Elder, if the deity is all powerful, all knowing, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, then the deity is unlike anything mankind has ever experienced or seen, how then can mankind understand, let alone know, what the deity is or know when or where to find it? I still search but I do know this, my mother warned me about quoting scripture and you should take heed: even the devil in your bible quoted scripture. It doesn’t support your position anymore than the Quran supports bin Laden…..
What? Were WMD found in Iraq? and Bin Laden didn’t sleep with Sadam? And Al Gonzalez didn’t fire attorneys for not prosecuting Dubya’s “enemies” or politicize the AG’s office? To say that none of these falsehoods amounts to a lie, is an even greater lie!
So there were no WMDs in Iraq at any time, terrorists never were in Iraq and the AG’s office has never been political, ever. Who is lying here? Just quote the liberal talking points and keep your head in the sand. I personally will let history do the talking. I don’t care why we are in Iraq now, we broke it and we better not leave before it’s fixed. If we do history will judge us all very poorly. You can see this as a liberal or in terms of reality. They aren’t the same thing.
Of course, non of this line of posts has anything to do with the subject as usual. Typical Friday afternoon baloney, including my end of the posts. I am way too busy to keep posting so goodbye for now.
> The Bible is based on several thousands of years of oral tradition for the old testament and a couple of centuries for the new testament. Not a word was written until the common era and in 325 AD, MEN decided what text to include and what to throw out.
Wow SG, that’s basically all wrong. (When did AD change to CE?) First, the Bible certainly was written down during the OT era. There are instances of prophets being told to write, and copies of the Scriptures are mentioned. The colophons (“these are the generations…”) in Genesis are in fact clear evidence that Genesis was a compilation of written documents. Plus, at the Council of Nicea THE CHURCH, represented by her bishops in council, canonized the Holy Scripture. However, Papias’s (unofficial) 1st century canon was essentially the same books give or take. If the Holy Spirit was guiding the undivided Church, maybe He was able to lead her to decide which books should have been included in the canon.
> Now the coptic texts are coming back, as in the Da Vinci Code and the Gospel according to Judas.
(I think that by “Coptic” you meant Gnostic.) Actually, only pagans, gnostics, ignoramuses and theological “liberals” give these Gnostic texts any credibility.
>The point is that none of this is PROVEN but rather is faith based.
What I have said above is factual beyond dispute.
>A lack of proof does not mean that there isn’t a deity anymore than a lack of proof means that there is. What it probably does mean is that we just don’t know enough about a deity to be able to discern one.
Hmmm… so men with no knowledge of God invented all kinds of things about a God they had no knowledge of. Not bloody likely. Maybe, just maybe, God was able to speak to His creatures and tell them what to write down. At least, that’s what billions of Christians believe and have believed.
>To paraphrase Pliny the Elder, if the deity is all powerful, all knowing, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, then the deity is unlike anything mankind has ever experienced or seen, how then can mankind understand, let alone know, what the deity is or know when or where to find it?
The aspects of His being that you mention are incommunicable. We can’t even begin to fathom what it means to possess these faculties and abilities. But we readily understand God’s communicable qualities likelove, patience, kindness, authority, mercy, justice/righteousness, friendship, jealousy for His property etc because, being made in His image means (among other things) possessing these qualities ourselves.
>I still search but I do know this, my mother warned me about quoting scripture and you should take heed: even the devil in your bible quoted scripture. It doesn’t support your position anymore than the Quran supports bin Laden…..
But the Koran does support bin Laden, because it tells Muslims repeatedly to kill infidels who will not convert or pay tribute to the caliphate. bin Laden and his followers are actually being good Muslims when they kill infidels.
You have a lot to learn my friend. A word to the wise is sufficient: A comely quality in a man on a journey is humility.
Didn’t scold just said to move on and get back on topic. Nothing wrong with that. Why are your panties in a bunch Al? I think perfectly and rationally. Grow a set of balls Al.
Yes. 400 tons of enriched uranium as found and reported by the NY Times. Also sarin and mustard gas, and missiles forbidden to the Baathist regime by the terms of the cease fire agreement at the end of the first war.
>and Bin Laden didn’t sleep with Sadam?
Zarqawi and Al Qaeda were in Iraq before our invasion, as were other terrorists like Abu Nidal.
>And Al Gonzalez didn’t fire attorneys for not prosecuting Dubya’s “enemies” or politicize the AG’s office?
Not that this happened at al, but if it had, who died? And Clinton fired 93 AG’s when he took office, including those investigating Democrats like Dan Rostenkowski. They serve at the pleasure of the POTUS and can be removed for any reason or no reason.
>To say that none of these falsehoods amounts to a lie, is an even greater lie!
I have proved you wrong in each isntance. I guess now you’re going to go to dailykook.com for some ammo.
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81 Dems voted to go to war. John Kerry and Bill’s ol’ lade et al were all on board. Even Silky Pony Boy voted for it. Now it’s “Bush lied.” I don’t get it.
12 years of catholic education, 4 years o college, 50 years of searching, that’s my background. The Bible is based on several thousands of years of oral tradition for the old testament and a couple of centuries for the new testament. Not a word was written until the common era and in 325 AD, MEN decided what text to include and what to throw out. Now the coptic texts are coming back, as in the Da Vinci Code and the Gospel according to Judas. The point is that none of this is PROVEN but rather is faith based. A lack of proof does not mean that there isn’t a deity anymore than a lack of proof means that there is. What it probably does mean is that we just don’t know enough about a deity to be able to discern one. To paraphrase Pliny the Elder, if the deity is all powerful, all knowing, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, then the deity is unlike anything mankind has ever experienced or seen, how then can mankind understand, let alone know, what the deity is or know when or where to find it? I still search but I do know this, my mother warned me about quoting scripture and you should take heed: even the devil in your bible quoted scripture. It doesn’t support your position anymore than the Quran supports bin Laden…..
What? Were WMD found in Iraq? and Bin Laden didn’t sleep with Sadam? And Al Gonzalez didn’t fire attorneys for not prosecuting Dubya’s “enemies” or politicize the AG’s office? To say that none of these falsehoods amounts to a lie, is an even greater lie!
So there were no WMDs in Iraq at any time, terrorists never were in Iraq and the AG’s office has never been political, ever. Who is lying here? Just quote the liberal talking points and keep your head in the sand. I personally will let history do the talking. I don’t care why we are in Iraq now, we broke it and we better not leave before it’s fixed. If we do history will judge us all very poorly. You can see this as a liberal or in terms of reality. They aren’t the same thing.
Of course, non of this line of posts has anything to do with the subject as usual. Typical Friday afternoon baloney, including my end of the posts. I am way too busy to keep posting so goodbye for now.
> The Bible is based on several thousands of years of oral tradition for the old testament and a couple of centuries for the new testament. Not a word was written until the common era and in 325 AD, MEN decided what text to include and what to throw out.
Wow SG, that’s basically all wrong. (When did AD change to CE?) First, the Bible certainly was written down during the OT era. There are instances of prophets being told to write, and copies of the Scriptures are mentioned. The colophons (“these are the generations…”) in Genesis are in fact clear evidence that Genesis was a compilation of written documents. Plus, at the Council of Nicea THE CHURCH, represented by her bishops in council, canonized the Holy Scripture. However, Papias’s (unofficial) 1st century canon was essentially the same books give or take. If the Holy Spirit was guiding the undivided Church, maybe He was able to lead her to decide which books should have been included in the canon.
> Now the coptic texts are coming back, as in the Da Vinci Code and the Gospel according to Judas.
(I think that by “Coptic” you meant Gnostic.) Actually, only pagans, gnostics, ignoramuses and theological “liberals” give these Gnostic texts any credibility.
>The point is that none of this is PROVEN but rather is faith based.
What I have said above is factual beyond dispute.
>A lack of proof does not mean that there isn’t a deity anymore than a lack of proof means that there is. What it probably does mean is that we just don’t know enough about a deity to be able to discern one.
Hmmm… so men with no knowledge of God invented all kinds of things about a God they had no knowledge of. Not bloody likely. Maybe, just maybe, God was able to speak to His creatures and tell them what to write down. At least, that’s what billions of Christians believe and have believed.
>To paraphrase Pliny the Elder, if the deity is all powerful, all knowing, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, then the deity is unlike anything mankind has ever experienced or seen, how then can mankind understand, let alone know, what the deity is or know when or where to find it?
The aspects of His being that you mention are incommunicable. We can’t even begin to fathom what it means to possess these faculties and abilities. But we readily understand God’s communicable qualities likelove, patience, kindness, authority, mercy, justice/righteousness, friendship, jealousy for His property etc because, being made in His image means (among other things) possessing these qualities ourselves.
>I still search but I do know this, my mother warned me about quoting scripture and you should take heed: even the devil in your bible quoted scripture. It doesn’t support your position anymore than the Quran supports bin Laden…..
But the Koran does support bin Laden, because it tells Muslims repeatedly to kill infidels who will not convert or pay tribute to the caliphate. bin Laden and his followers are actually being good Muslims when they kill infidels.
You have a lot to learn my friend. A word to the wise is sufficient: A comely quality in a man on a journey is humility.
Didn’t scold just said to move on and get back on topic. Nothing wrong with that. Why are your panties in a bunch Al? I think perfectly and rationally. Grow a set of balls Al.
yeah and the moon is made of cheese.
>What? Were WMD found in Iraq?
Yes. 400 tons of enriched uranium as found and reported by the NY Times. Also sarin and mustard gas, and missiles forbidden to the Baathist regime by the terms of the cease fire agreement at the end of the first war.
>and Bin Laden didn’t sleep with Sadam?
Zarqawi and Al Qaeda were in Iraq before our invasion, as were other terrorists like Abu Nidal.
>And Al Gonzalez didn’t fire attorneys for not prosecuting Dubya’s “enemies” or politicize the AG’s office?
Not that this happened at al, but if it had, who died? And Clinton fired 93 AG’s when he took office, including those investigating Democrats like Dan Rostenkowski. They serve at the pleasure of the POTUS and can be removed for any reason or no reason.
>To say that none of these falsehoods amounts to a lie, is an even greater lie!
I have proved you wrong in each isntance. I guess now you’re going to go to dailykook.com for some ammo.
Send me yours, Mare.