So where does an older smoker’s responsibility begin TYOB? Since the information was out before the labels were required, and the labels have been on for over three decades, where does the responsibility of the smoker for their own health begin?
If they’d brought these cases in the late ’70s or early ’80s I’d be more sympathetic, but since they had decades to quit and decided not to they should not be allowed to sue.
Since it’s been shown that it takes 5 years or less for lungs to recover from even several decades of smoking, the 26 years this janitor had from the time his first pack of smokes had a warning label to the time he died was more than enough time for him to decide to quit and for his lungs to recover. He just didn’t quit and that was his choice.
problem tyob, is that the gov’t knew about nicotine from day 1. they sued the tobacco industry and won! what?! and the gov’t won?! truly the fallacy lies in that the gov’t allowed this from day one. they knew about nicotine. in fact i bet if you truly look at the industry, most folks did not realize the danger probably until later. so whose fault is it anyways? not the industry. we have seen tobacco smoking since the ages past — did you see those folks sue because they died from it? no! again, the knew the result of being responsible. it appears that now days, we don’t want to take responsibility. we have to force the issue of responsibility by law! this is the main issue. it was not the tobacco industry. they did not make you pick up the first smoke. one smoke probably does not get you hooked. if it did, then it be liked alchohol, but it’s not! the next thing your going to tell me that because it can’t be the person’s fault it’s bush’s fault! LOL! i don’t think so.
each individual action has a consequence associated with it, whether good or bad. nobody put that cigarette in your fingers and caused you to smoke it. nobody told you to take another. so again, don’t blame the industry when it was approved by the fda and the recipe was in hold w/congress who later decided after so many years to go after them.
congress was tired of those folks getting sick after years of smoking and then medicaid starting paying for the medical. it was costing the gov’t money. well, it should afterall they approved the recipe and even held the recipe w/congress.
so please! stop blaming the industry and start taking your own responsibility!
The key there is addictive. Very, very addictive. Sure it’s not IMPOSSIBLE to quit, but surely VERY difficult.
Some people have the will power to quit, and others do not.
The tobacco companies banked on that, and profitted from it. The preyed on the weak.
In my opinion, as a society, we should not allow that behavior by our corporate citizens. Those that exhibit that behavior should be punished, or others will follow suit.
so if it’s so addictive, then those who are on welfare are the same….so let’s sue the government to spend our money for those that can work but don’t intend to…they think that the gov’t has a money tree and is giving it freely!
they milking my tax money and making it harder for those that need to actually use the money for medicaid or social security.
responsible — um. check the dictionary. it does not have anything in their about addiction.
Everyone has lost focus on the real issue and it seems no court is willing to address the real problem. Nicotine!
You see smoking is bad and I do not belive anyone should have to pay for anothers choice. I also do not believe any person or company should be allowed to sell a product whether cigarettes, cigars, or even a food product, lace it with a chemical that will cause me to want their product even more and in many cases to the exclusion of anything else.
Soooo, I think the Tobacco companies should be caused top put this on their end product labels and in bold red letters.
” We at the Tobacco company have intentioanlly laced this product to cause you to want more of the product and increase our sales. We lace this product with nicotime which is a highly addictive drug much like cocaine. Once you start using nicotine it is very hard to quit using Nicotine. You could be hooked for life on our drug and buying cigarettes the rest of your life. By the way tobacco usgae is bad for your helth and causes Cancer.
Now if our government made them put this on the pack which is all completely true, let the hide go with the hair.
These settlements are pennies compared to what they have made.
So lets use the cheese example. If cheese could cause cancer, you eat it and for some reason you develop an irresistable urge to eat cheese about every hour for years.
Next thing you know you weigh 300 pounds and are miserable. You go to a doc and find out that the chees you have been eating was laced with an additive drug. Your OK with this knowing someone intentionally laced their product to hook you into buying.
Shame opn the courts and out legal system for still allowing these guys to get away with this. I hope they have to pay it out the nose and any one who disagrees is just plain not thinking.
TYOB doesn’t want to commit to personal responsibility. TYOB wants an escape route.
It’s this simple – don’t buy cigarettes, don’t bum cigarettes, don’t smoke cigarettes and don’t hand around cigarette smoke. It’s the same thing alcoholics, cocaine addicts, meth addicts and heroine addicts do. They stop ingesting what they are addicted to. It truly is that simple. Stop ingesting. If it’s important enough to the addict they will quit. Until then they have every right to kill themselves in whatever way they desire – but not the right to sue the person supplying their poison of choice.
There are no “buts” (pun intended) about it. Yes nicotine is addictive and yes tobacco products are altered from pure tobacco to make them more addictive – but the information has been out there way too long for people to say it’s the tobacco companies’ fault they are sick. It’s a choice.
I read an article today on Yahoo that said stored in Ontario will no longer be allowed to display cigarettes; packs must be kept behind the counter or in a grayed-out display case so nobody can see the pack. This is on top of packs that by law must show graphic pictures of black lungs and rotted teeth in addition to a much harsher message than that required in the US. This is ridiculous. If people truly think tobacco is that bad make it illegal. I’m not for making it illegal, but I’m also not for picking on a perfectly legal industry either.
I think the sad thing is that tobacco companies are still allowed to alter tobacco to make it more addictive which makes their attempts at educating the public about the dangers point them to assistance in quitting VERY hypocritical.
It seems that there could be regulation preventing this practice. The tobacco companies now market to 3rd world countries to get their new customers.
Of course the tobacco industry’s messages to consumers are hypocritical! The law mandates them to be. Please name one other industry that is mandated by law to spend a certain amount of money actively dissuading their customers. You won’t be able to because their is no other industry with that mandate.
We need to leave the tobacco industry alone and let people kill themselves in whatever way they see fit.
Hey, they’re telling people straight out not to use their product, that their product can kill them. If people still wish to use tobacco products after people told by the manufacturer that the product is bad, will kill them, they shouldn’t use it, they should do something else, never never never use tobacco, if after all that people still decide to use tobacco they could be lacing it with uranium for all I care because the consumer is doing something they know will kill them and the consumer needs to take responsibility for their own actions.
When you buy a new gun the instruction manual says to ensure that every gun is unloaded and clear (and provides instructions for how to do this safely), to never point a loaded weapon at anything you don’t intend to shoot and that guns have the potential to kill. If after all that somebody shoots themself in the head is the gun manufacturer guilty? This analogy is apt because the tobacco manufacturer actually gives more warnings than the gun manufacturer and the consumer still chooses to kill themself.
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So where does an older smoker’s responsibility begin TYOB? Since the information was out before the labels were required, and the labels have been on for over three decades, where does the responsibility of the smoker for their own health begin?
If they’d brought these cases in the late ’70s or early ’80s I’d be more sympathetic, but since they had decades to quit and decided not to they should not be allowed to sue.
Since it’s been shown that it takes 5 years or less for lungs to recover from even several decades of smoking, the 26 years this janitor had from the time his first pack of smokes had a warning label to the time he died was more than enough time for him to decide to quit and for his lungs to recover. He just didn’t quit and that was his choice.
problem tyob, is that the gov’t knew about nicotine from day 1. they sued the tobacco industry and won! what?! and the gov’t won?! truly the fallacy lies in that the gov’t allowed this from day one. they knew about nicotine. in fact i bet if you truly look at the industry, most folks did not realize the danger probably until later. so whose fault is it anyways? not the industry. we have seen tobacco smoking since the ages past — did you see those folks sue because they died from it? no! again, the knew the result of being responsible. it appears that now days, we don’t want to take responsibility. we have to force the issue of responsibility by law! this is the main issue. it was not the tobacco industry. they did not make you pick up the first smoke. one smoke probably does not get you hooked. if it did, then it be liked alchohol, but it’s not! the next thing your going to tell me that because it can’t be the person’s fault it’s bush’s fault! LOL! i don’t think so.
each individual action has a consequence associated with it, whether good or bad. nobody put that cigarette in your fingers and caused you to smoke it. nobody told you to take another. so again, don’t blame the industry when it was approved by the fda and the recipe was in hold w/congress who later decided after so many years to go after them.
congress was tired of those folks getting sick after years of smoking and then medicaid starting paying for the medical. it was costing the gov’t money. well, it should afterall they approved the recipe and even held the recipe w/congress.
so please! stop blaming the industry and start taking your own responsibility!
Lastbat,
The key there is addictive. Very, very addictive. Sure it’s not IMPOSSIBLE to quit, but surely VERY difficult.
Some people have the will power to quit, and others do not.
The tobacco companies banked on that, and profitted from it. The preyed on the weak.
In my opinion, as a society, we should not allow that behavior by our corporate citizens. Those that exhibit that behavior should be punished, or others will follow suit.
so if it’s so addictive, then those who are on welfare are the same….so let’s sue the government to spend our money for those that can work but don’t intend to…they think that the gov’t has a money tree and is giving it freely!
they milking my tax money and making it harder for those that need to actually use the money for medicaid or social security.
responsible — um. check the dictionary. it does not have anything in their about addiction.
Everyone has lost focus on the real issue and it seems no court is willing to address the real problem. Nicotine!
You see smoking is bad and I do not belive anyone should have to pay for anothers choice. I also do not believe any person or company should be allowed to sell a product whether cigarettes, cigars, or even a food product, lace it with a chemical that will cause me to want their product even more and in many cases to the exclusion of anything else.
Soooo, I think the Tobacco companies should be caused top put this on their end product labels and in bold red letters.
” We at the Tobacco company have intentioanlly laced this product to cause you to want more of the product and increase our sales. We lace this product with nicotime which is a highly addictive drug much like cocaine. Once you start using nicotine it is very hard to quit using Nicotine. You could be hooked for life on our drug and buying cigarettes the rest of your life. By the way tobacco usgae is bad for your helth and causes Cancer.
Now if our government made them put this on the pack which is all completely true, let the hide go with the hair.
These settlements are pennies compared to what they have made.
So lets use the cheese example. If cheese could cause cancer, you eat it and for some reason you develop an irresistable urge to eat cheese about every hour for years.
Next thing you know you weigh 300 pounds and are miserable. You go to a doc and find out that the chees you have been eating was laced with an additive drug. Your OK with this knowing someone intentionally laced their product to hook you into buying.
Shame opn the courts and out legal system for still allowing these guys to get away with this. I hope they have to pay it out the nose and any one who disagrees is just plain not thinking.
TYOB doesn’t want to commit to personal responsibility. TYOB wants an escape route.
It’s this simple – don’t buy cigarettes, don’t bum cigarettes, don’t smoke cigarettes and don’t hand around cigarette smoke. It’s the same thing alcoholics, cocaine addicts, meth addicts and heroine addicts do. They stop ingesting what they are addicted to. It truly is that simple. Stop ingesting. If it’s important enough to the addict they will quit. Until then they have every right to kill themselves in whatever way they desire – but not the right to sue the person supplying their poison of choice.
There are no “buts” (pun intended) about it. Yes nicotine is addictive and yes tobacco products are altered from pure tobacco to make them more addictive – but the information has been out there way too long for people to say it’s the tobacco companies’ fault they are sick. It’s a choice.
I read an article today on Yahoo that said stored in Ontario will no longer be allowed to display cigarettes; packs must be kept behind the counter or in a grayed-out display case so nobody can see the pack. This is on top of packs that by law must show graphic pictures of black lungs and rotted teeth in addition to a much harsher message than that required in the US. This is ridiculous. If people truly think tobacco is that bad make it illegal. I’m not for making it illegal, but I’m also not for picking on a perfectly legal industry either.
I think the sad thing is that tobacco companies are still allowed to alter tobacco to make it more addictive which makes their attempts at educating the public about the dangers point them to assistance in quitting VERY hypocritical.
It seems that there could be regulation preventing this practice. The tobacco companies now market to 3rd world countries to get their new customers.
Of course the tobacco industry’s messages to consumers are hypocritical! The law mandates them to be. Please name one other industry that is mandated by law to spend a certain amount of money actively dissuading their customers. You won’t be able to because their is no other industry with that mandate.
We need to leave the tobacco industry alone and let people kill themselves in whatever way they see fit.
So as long as they try to dissuade the public they should be allowed to make their product more addictive? Talk about taking responsibility.
Hey, they’re telling people straight out not to use their product, that their product can kill them. If people still wish to use tobacco products after people told by the manufacturer that the product is bad, will kill them, they shouldn’t use it, they should do something else, never never never use tobacco, if after all that people still decide to use tobacco they could be lacing it with uranium for all I care because the consumer is doing something they know will kill them and the consumer needs to take responsibility for their own actions.
When you buy a new gun the instruction manual says to ensure that every gun is unloaded and clear (and provides instructions for how to do this safely), to never point a loaded weapon at anything you don’t intend to shoot and that guns have the potential to kill. If after all that somebody shoots themself in the head is the gun manufacturer guilty? This analogy is apt because the tobacco manufacturer actually gives more warnings than the gun manufacturer and the consumer still chooses to kill themself.