Alex, I’m with you on this one. People have a right to decide how they want to die, and if they want to kill themselves with cigarettes – more power to them.
Yes the guy smoked for 40 years and that puts him smoking roughly 20 years before the cigarette companies were mandated to tell you their product kills you on the label. That also puts him continuing to smoke for 20 years after his cigarettes came in packages that said “Warning – cigarettes will kill you”. He could have stopped at any time if it was important enough to him.
This whole case has been outrageous from the beginning and makes me ashamed of the courts in my state.
Ah wudchuck and lastbat, are you the two remaining sane people in this land? BTW – great posts but now to read the others. All tobacco litigation is bogus. Dangers of smoking have been known for decades, if not a century or two. I hope this woman never sees a dime and I hope SCOTUS severely slaps around the Oregon Supreme Court on their (in)actions.
You’re only an Expert in being an Idiot and your post makes you look and sound incredibly stupid and narrow minded. That’s a pity too cause some people might have taken you seriously.
Milo, one would have to have been hiding under a rock for the past few hundred years, especially the past few decades, to not know that tobacco contains nicotine and is an addictive substance. Putting such a label on the packs is not necessary – the packs are already labeled to tell the consumer that the product contained therein is deadly.
Since the education has been out there for decades there is no need for tobacco companies to do more. Tobacco companies already do more to dissuade their consumer base than any other industry in the history of mankind. With the companies actively trying to dissuade their current and future consumers from staying or becoming consumers anybody who decides to start using tobacco or decides to continue using tobacco is the idiot and deserves nothing.
All this from a non-user who listened to the tobacco companies when they told me I shoulnd’t use their products.
Here what you are saying however the Tobacco companies knew what they were doing and did it with the intent to hook people and sell more product by doing so and that is the issue i have with the entire thing. As far as people smoking knowing there are many things that come from that activity. They certainly can make their own choice knowing the dangers. I agree with you. They should not smoke however back to the original crime. No different than when the movie industry (before it was outlawed) placed a picture of a coke or pop corn and piped in pop corn cooking in the a/c system . Why to generate more sales. Illegally gained profits.
ok… so you put a label on the box. did you know that the FDA/Gov’t knew about this from day 1? don’t go blaming the industry when it even told folks about it. what about those who are doing it now?
do we give them a bundle of joy of $$$?
i think we just think everyone else is responsible and not our ownselves. he had been doing the smoking for 40 yrs.
next thing your going to tell me that we need to get the druggies to label there product and make them pay for those that die from it?! i don’t think so! afterall, we make choices some good and some bad and some can be fatal.
we don’t make the booze industry pay! why did we have to make the smoking industry pay?
That point has been made at least three times in this thread milo. The whole point is that all of this information has been widely publicized for decades so nobody in America has any reason to sue tobacco companies. People know the dangers and choose to use tobacco anyway. They know the dangers and choose to drink anyway. They know the dangers and choose to take drugs anyway. They know the dangers and drive without seatbelts while talking on cell phones, eating a hamburger and changing their pants. People can not plead ignorance. “Oh, the bad nasty company didn’t come clean until 1973 and here it is more than 30 years later and I didn’t know!” Give me a break.
It’s well past time the courts started forcing people to accept responsibility for their own actions. Stop picking on the tobacco companies, overturn the dram shop laws and overhaul the tort system. Because unless these people are being held down by employees of the tobacco companies and being forced to ingest their product it was their own free will that got them started and their own free will that keeps them using. Addicts can quit.
lastbat said it best but again, each person needs to start taking on their own responsibility. stop putting onto someone else.
if you make a left turn when you should have made a right turn. who is at fault for making the wrong turn? the car? the sun? the tire? it can’t be me can it?
here’s where the problem exists! nobody can truly take the responisibility of choices, even when they are bad. they love to take them when they are good.
Sure, alcohol and caffeine are addictive, but not to the same degree is nicotine.
Alcohol is addictive to a far smaller percentage of the people who use it. Caffeine’s addiction causes harm on a far smaller scale than nicotene does.
Slippery slopes do exist. We have decided as a society that alcohol and caffeine are not TOO SLIPPERY. But that does not, in my opinion, mean that what the tobacco industry did before labels were put on the packeges does not warrant litigation.
The tobacco industry has indeed been warning people for decades, but the point for THIS PARTICULAR LAWSUIT was that the man began smoking BEFORE the warnings were placed on the packages, and he began smoking AFTER the tobacco companies knew about the addictive nature and effects of nicotine. What’s more, the tobacco companies PROFITTED off of the increased sales they experienced by not telling people about it right away.
I agree 100% with the idea that anyone who started smoking AFTER the warnings began has NO RIGHT TO SUE.
However, I do believe that the tobacco companies are the ones who should shoulder the blame and take on the RESPONSIBILITY for what has happened to those(and, yes, the families of those) that started smoking BEFORE THE LABELS WERE PUT ON THE PACKAGES AND AFTER THE COMPANIES KNEW ABOUT THE EFFECTS AND ADDICTIVE NATURE OF NICOTINE.
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Alex, I’m with you on this one. People have a right to decide how they want to die, and if they want to kill themselves with cigarettes – more power to them.
Yes the guy smoked for 40 years and that puts him smoking roughly 20 years before the cigarette companies were mandated to tell you their product kills you on the label. That also puts him continuing to smoke for 20 years after his cigarettes came in packages that said “Warning – cigarettes will kill you”. He could have stopped at any time if it was important enough to him.
This whole case has been outrageous from the beginning and makes me ashamed of the courts in my state.
Ah wudchuck and lastbat, are you the two remaining sane people in this land? BTW – great posts but now to read the others. All tobacco litigation is bogus. Dangers of smoking have been known for decades, if not a century or two. I hope this woman never sees a dime and I hope SCOTUS severely slaps around the Oregon Supreme Court on their (in)actions.
You’re only an Expert in being an Idiot and your post makes you look and sound incredibly stupid and narrow minded. That’s a pity too cause some people might have taken you seriously.
Milo, one would have to have been hiding under a rock for the past few hundred years, especially the past few decades, to not know that tobacco contains nicotine and is an addictive substance. Putting such a label on the packs is not necessary – the packs are already labeled to tell the consumer that the product contained therein is deadly.
Since the education has been out there for decades there is no need for tobacco companies to do more. Tobacco companies already do more to dissuade their consumer base than any other industry in the history of mankind. With the companies actively trying to dissuade their current and future consumers from staying or becoming consumers anybody who decides to start using tobacco or decides to continue using tobacco is the idiot and deserves nothing.
All this from a non-user who listened to the tobacco companies when they told me I shoulnd’t use their products.
Here what you are saying however the Tobacco companies knew what they were doing and did it with the intent to hook people and sell more product by doing so and that is the issue i have with the entire thing. As far as people smoking knowing there are many things that come from that activity. They certainly can make their own choice knowing the dangers. I agree with you. They should not smoke however back to the original crime. No different than when the movie industry (before it was outlawed) placed a picture of a coke or pop corn and piped in pop corn cooking in the a/c system . Why to generate more sales. Illegally gained profits.
ok… so you put a label on the box. did you know that the FDA/Gov’t knew about this from day 1? don’t go blaming the industry when it even told folks about it. what about those who are doing it now?
do we give them a bundle of joy of $$$?
i think we just think everyone else is responsible and not our ownselves. he had been doing the smoking for 40 yrs.
next thing your going to tell me that we need to get the druggies to label there product and make them pay for those that die from it?! i don’t think so! afterall, we make choices some good and some bad and some can be fatal.
we don’t make the booze industry pay! why did we have to make the smoking industry pay?
Now that is a good point you make.
That point has been made at least three times in this thread milo. The whole point is that all of this information has been widely publicized for decades so nobody in America has any reason to sue tobacco companies. People know the dangers and choose to use tobacco anyway. They know the dangers and choose to drink anyway. They know the dangers and choose to take drugs anyway. They know the dangers and drive without seatbelts while talking on cell phones, eating a hamburger and changing their pants. People can not plead ignorance. “Oh, the bad nasty company didn’t come clean until 1973 and here it is more than 30 years later and I didn’t know!” Give me a break.
It’s well past time the courts started forcing people to accept responsibility for their own actions. Stop picking on the tobacco companies, overturn the dram shop laws and overhaul the tort system. Because unless these people are being held down by employees of the tobacco companies and being forced to ingest their product it was their own free will that got them started and their own free will that keeps them using. Addicts can quit.
lastbat said it best but again, each person needs to start taking on their own responsibility. stop putting onto someone else.
if you make a left turn when you should have made a right turn. who is at fault for making the wrong turn? the car? the sun? the tire? it can’t be me can it?
here’s where the problem exists! nobody can truly take the responisibility of choices, even when they are bad. they love to take them when they are good.
in response to lastbat:
Sure, alcohol and caffeine are addictive, but not to the same degree is nicotine.
Alcohol is addictive to a far smaller percentage of the people who use it. Caffeine’s addiction causes harm on a far smaller scale than nicotene does.
Slippery slopes do exist. We have decided as a society that alcohol and caffeine are not TOO SLIPPERY. But that does not, in my opinion, mean that what the tobacco industry did before labels were put on the packeges does not warrant litigation.
The tobacco industry has indeed been warning people for decades, but the point for THIS PARTICULAR LAWSUIT was that the man began smoking BEFORE the warnings were placed on the packages, and he began smoking AFTER the tobacco companies knew about the addictive nature and effects of nicotine. What’s more, the tobacco companies PROFITTED off of the increased sales they experienced by not telling people about it right away.
I agree 100% with the idea that anyone who started smoking AFTER the warnings began has NO RIGHT TO SUE.
However, I do believe that the tobacco companies are the ones who should shoulder the blame and take on the RESPONSIBILITY for what has happened to those(and, yes, the families of those) that started smoking BEFORE THE LABELS WERE PUT ON THE PACKAGES AND AFTER THE COMPANIES KNEW ABOUT THE EFFECTS AND ADDICTIVE NATURE OF NICOTINE.
Responsibility goes BOTH ways.