I can\’t even begin to image the pain the Hancock family must be going through. But are they suggesting that restauarants and bars should limit a person\’s alcoholic intake to so many drinks per hour per visit? Maybe give everyone a timestamped punchcard. Also, the news reports I read said that the restaurant offered to call him a cab and Josh declined it.
The restaurant claims they offered to call a Taxi for Josh, and he refused. The restaurant did try and do the right thing. Just because Josh was offered drinks all night did not mean he couldn\’t make the choice to say \”no\”. He was 29 years old – old enough to make a rational choice. What\’s to teach? Drinking and driving do not mix. Period. I learned that in grade school, and I still understand what that means. Josh was younger than me, so I\’m sure the message was stronger while he was in school. It\’s time people take responsibility for their own actions. Don\’t forget – there was marijuana in his car as well. While not in his system at the time of the accident, it just illustrates that he made his own bad choices. I feel terrible that he died, but accidents happen, and sometimes, there is nobody to blame but the intoxicated driver.
I read this article with my mouth open. I don\’t follow baseball and had not heard about this pitcher. But is there anyone out there that thinks that a system (judge and attorney) that allows cases such as this enter there courtroom absolutely absurd. This guy knew that when he went into the bar he was going to drink, he had his full capacity to think. I find that just before I have “had too much”, I’ve had enough. So where is it written that we can now start accusing and suing other’s for our stupidity or the stupidity of our love ones.
Why not include the Cards organization and MLB? They have sued everyone else. The broken down vehicle & tow truck operator surely caused the accident just by being there. There has to be a connection with the game, players, MLB, etc. doesn\’t there?
Josh\’s father will probably end up regretting his actions. All involved in St. Louis, including the press, worked to keep Josh in a good light considering the tragedy. The blood toxicology reports were not released until after his funeral, assuming out of respect for the family.
However, trying to place blame on others and not on Josh will end up opening a can or worms they should have left closed.
The local media has briefly noted that Josh had an auto accident just a few days earlier coming out of a strip club parking lot in the early morning. He also was late for that afternoon\’s game claiming to have mistaken the game time.
The parties involved in the suit will probably have to bring out a lot of \”dirt\” in order to defend themselves.
It\’s a shame that the admiration and sympathy which was fostered in St. Louis will probably be replaced by the facts dug up due to this lawsuit.
Here\’s hoping that the family comes to their senses on this one.
drunk, speeding (at least 68 mph at time of impact) in a 55 zone, on cell phone, not belted…
but it\’s worse; he had a party reputation; he refused a cab offer from the bar; he claimed he was only going 3 blocks, when in fact he was travelling several miles west to another bar. he had an accident a couple days earlier where he appears to have been out all nite; was driving a rental car when he died, but managed to transfer the marijuana in case he needed it;
I\’m not a defense attorney, but that isn\’t going to look to good to anyone, and it won\’t do his legacy anything to have it restated over and over in the papers if this goes to trial.
we\’re just lucky he didn\’t take anyone else with him; it\’s a tragedy, but he was responsible for his own actions.
knowing they were about to get behind the wheel of a car? Sounds like a place that cares nothing about the safety of its customers, nor the general public at large. The Almighty Dollar Reigns Again.
They\’re suing the bar, the towing company and the broken-down car\’s owner. What\’s next, suing the person he was talking to on the phone. Obviously they were acting irresponsibly by talking to him while he was behind the wheel. They should be held accountable as well!
Having worked in a bar while in college there\’s a lot more to it than grabbing they keys from someone you think is drunk. I lived in fear of dram laws and liability if a fight broke out while trying to detain a customer.
Think about this: you\’re the proprieter of a bar who feels a customer has had too much to drink, you cut him off. The \”drunk\” decides he knows best and starts a fight which your bouncer stops by restraining the customer. The customer is a drunken stupor manages to break a finger while resisting your bouncer. Now you\’re sued for his broken finger.
Maybe he\’s not that drunk and you\’re slick enough to pull his keys and let him know you\’re calling him a cab. Turns out he\’s not legally drunk and but you just illegally detained him. Well Mr. Smartie-pants, now you\’re sued for violating his human and Constitutional rights.
So what do you do? You hope to God the morons drinking in your bar pass out in someone else\’s parking lot while walking to their car.
Personal responsibility! Not frivilous lawsuits, not dram laws, not a bartender making $3.00/hr being your personal baby-sitter.
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I can\’t even begin to image the pain the Hancock family must be going through. But are they suggesting that restauarants and bars should limit a person\’s alcoholic intake to so many drinks per hour per visit? Maybe give everyone a timestamped punchcard. Also, the news reports I read said that the restaurant offered to call him a cab and Josh declined it.
The restaurant claims they offered to call a Taxi for Josh, and he refused. The restaurant did try and do the right thing. Just because Josh was offered drinks all night did not mean he couldn\’t make the choice to say \”no\”. He was 29 years old – old enough to make a rational choice. What\’s to teach? Drinking and driving do not mix. Period. I learned that in grade school, and I still understand what that means. Josh was younger than me, so I\’m sure the message was stronger while he was in school. It\’s time people take responsibility for their own actions. Don\’t forget – there was marijuana in his car as well. While not in his system at the time of the accident, it just illustrates that he made his own bad choices. I feel terrible that he died, but accidents happen, and sometimes, there is nobody to blame but the intoxicated driver.
I read this article with my mouth open. I don\’t follow baseball and had not heard about this pitcher. But is there anyone out there that thinks that a system (judge and attorney) that allows cases such as this enter there courtroom absolutely absurd. This guy knew that when he went into the bar he was going to drink, he had his full capacity to think. I find that just before I have “had too much”, I’ve had enough. So where is it written that we can now start accusing and suing other’s for our stupidity or the stupidity of our love ones.
Why not include the Cards organization and MLB? They have sued everyone else. The broken down vehicle & tow truck operator surely caused the accident just by being there. There has to be a connection with the game, players, MLB, etc. doesn\’t there?
Josh\’s father will probably end up regretting his actions. All involved in St. Louis, including the press, worked to keep Josh in a good light considering the tragedy. The blood toxicology reports were not released until after his funeral, assuming out of respect for the family.
However, trying to place blame on others and not on Josh will end up opening a can or worms they should have left closed.
The local media has briefly noted that Josh had an auto accident just a few days earlier coming out of a strip club parking lot in the early morning. He also was late for that afternoon\’s game claiming to have mistaken the game time.
The parties involved in the suit will probably have to bring out a lot of \”dirt\” in order to defend themselves.
It\’s a shame that the admiration and sympathy which was fostered in St. Louis will probably be replaced by the facts dug up due to this lawsuit.
Here\’s hoping that the family comes to their senses on this one.
drunk, speeding (at least 68 mph at time of impact) in a 55 zone, on cell phone, not belted…
but it\’s worse; he had a party reputation; he refused a cab offer from the bar; he claimed he was only going 3 blocks, when in fact he was travelling several miles west to another bar. he had an accident a couple days earlier where he appears to have been out all nite; was driving a rental car when he died, but managed to transfer the marijuana in case he needed it;
I\’m not a defense attorney, but that isn\’t going to look to good to anyone, and it won\’t do his legacy anything to have it restated over and over in the papers if this goes to trial.
we\’re just lucky he didn\’t take anyone else with him; it\’s a tragedy, but he was responsible for his own actions.
knowing they were about to get behind the wheel of a car? Sounds like a place that cares nothing about the safety of its customers, nor the general public at large. The Almighty Dollar Reigns Again.
Didn\’t he make enough money to pay for cab fare?
What a shame.
I\’m sorry for his family, but Dad\’s lawsuit isn\’t going to improve this very sad situation.
They\’re suing the bar, the towing company and the broken-down car\’s owner. What\’s next, suing the person he was talking to on the phone. Obviously they were acting irresponsibly by talking to him while he was behind the wheel. They should be held accountable as well!
Having worked in a bar while in college there\’s a lot more to it than grabbing they keys from someone you think is drunk. I lived in fear of dram laws and liability if a fight broke out while trying to detain a customer.
Think about this: you\’re the proprieter of a bar who feels a customer has had too much to drink, you cut him off. The \”drunk\” decides he knows best and starts a fight which your bouncer stops by restraining the customer. The customer is a drunken stupor manages to break a finger while resisting your bouncer. Now you\’re sued for his broken finger.
Maybe he\’s not that drunk and you\’re slick enough to pull his keys and let him know you\’re calling him a cab. Turns out he\’s not legally drunk and but you just illegally detained him. Well Mr. Smartie-pants, now you\’re sued for violating his human and Constitutional rights.
So what do you do? You hope to God the morons drinking in your bar pass out in someone else\’s parking lot while walking to their car.
Personal responsibility! Not frivilous lawsuits, not dram laws, not a bartender making $3.00/hr being your personal baby-sitter.