Fine, you are entitled to comment on it. But I still think your earlier stated opinions are wrong. I don’t advocate surgery where the individual hasn’t committed to change their life along with surgery. I know a few who haven’t. I simply don’t understand your thought processes on “doing it the right way” with your family background. I sounds too much like those people I heard saying that it’s cheating somehow. However, I will grant you my personal permission to discuss the issue.
Nobody, I hope I’m right in interpreting the last line as sarcasm, because if it is it’s fantastic.
I have the views I have because of my family history. My family has a genetic tendancy toward obesity and those of us that have staved off or conquered it have done so through hard work. I have several family members that say they are the way they are not because of the obscene amounts of food they eat and lack of movement, but because their genes dictate it. These are people who polish off a #10 can of chili in a sitting and drink whole cases of soda in a day. It’s made me rather jaded in some respects; but I do recognize that other methods of weight management have come about for a reason.
Back to this specific case. The patient presented at the ER and the on call surgeon requested that the hospital radiology dept do a CAT scan. They refused because the table weight limit at Englewood is 275lbs and the pt was too fat to squeeze into the tube. Doing so could cause $100,000. plus damage to the machine. Covering surgeon then attempted to locate an alternate large CAT scan machine to forward pt but was unable to.
Bariatric surgery is dangerous and a last resort. Malpractice rates here in NJ are even higher than vascular. One last thing. The accepted standard of care for weight loss surgery requires a pre-surgical psychological evaluation which screens potential pts to insure they have first attempted all the standard weight loss efforts.
This is a sensitive issue for me. I was picked on as a child mercilessly for my weight. Even as a young boy I had a huge belly. I participated in all sorts of athletics to lose the weight.
But still my huge belly hung so low that it covered my private parts. This in conjunction with large man breats caused the boys in the lockeroom to question my gender.
I tried to pretend that it didnt bother me but it was tough. I was at a highschool football game, and my pants were hard to sinch up tight becasue of the excess weight, and a young boy pulled down my pants in front of all the cheerleaders and proclaimed I had no penis.
Because of my weight I struggled to bend over to pull up my pants at all and when I bent over there was a large groan from the whole crowd.
Throughout it all I percervered, but it wasnt easy getting over this behaviour.
I starved myself to lose weight, but it was always gained back.
I was never able to have intercourse with a women, until I brokedown and paid an extra $300 premium over the regular charge to a low class prostitute.
So you can only imagine how much I wanted to lose this weight. I tried everything and I WORKED HARD. So when the opportunity came along to have this surgery I jumped at it.
Now my life has turned around. At my last high school reunion no one recognized me, and I was even able to have sexual intercourse for the first time without paying for it. It was with one of the cheerleaders who used to laugh at me. I didnt even tell her who I was until it was over. It was one of the most satisfying moments of my life. Now I like to be on top.
So as you can imagine, I am in favor of this surgery no matter what the risks may be.
Uh…wow.
Congrats on finding your wiener and bagging the cheerleader. :gives two thumbs up:
Now, I’m not fat, so I’ve known exactly where my wiener has been for years; and I don’t mind sayin’, there’s been more than a few cheerleaders in that equation lemme tell you.
One interesting observation though; everybody I personally know that is fat eats WAY more than I do and is not near as active.
That being said; gastric bypass does nothing more than MANDATE that you can’t eat a lot of food. So when someone says that it is not the “right” way of losing weight or suggests that there are better and healthier alternatives, they are more than likely just trying to say that it is not doing anything that a properly motivated individual couldn’t do on their own while avoiding all the risks associated with the surgury.
Reason, in the main you are correct, but there are those who, for whatever reason, cannot control intake. It might be a metabolism or absorption issue, it might be a thyroid issue, it might be conditioning (they never learned what “full” feels like, so overeat because they no longer have the biological imperitive to stop eating), or a psychological reason.
I believe the majority of overweight people can take care of their weight with proper eating and movement. There are those that need the assistance.
If anyone ever does discover the elusive 300 lb high school linebacker, anywhere on the planet, I want to be the first to know. I don’t know about anyone else, but I thought Dawns innocent mistake about 300 lb linebackers was kind of funny and cute. I had no idea anyone would take themselves so seriously, after they make a mistake, that they would feel the need to explain themselves, and everything about themselves, in order to achieve just what exactly? This started as a story about a 400 lb kid who had gastric bypass and died from complications. Then somebody, for some reason, tried to blame it on high school football and the new phenomenon of 300 lb linebackers. Most guys know there are no 300 lb high school linebackers, and for that matter only a few high school players nationwide at any position who exceed 300 lbs. THEREIN IS THE HUMOR!
Again, lighten up. The lady doth protest too much.
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Fine, you are entitled to comment on it. But I still think your earlier stated opinions are wrong. I don’t advocate surgery where the individual hasn’t committed to change their life along with surgery. I know a few who haven’t. I simply don’t understand your thought processes on “doing it the right way” with your family background. I sounds too much like those people I heard saying that it’s cheating somehow. However, I will grant you my personal permission to discuss the issue.
Amen lastbat. Haven’t read all the comments but I’m sure there’s one about a “thyroid” condition or some b.s. like that. Also agree with C.
Nobody, I hope I’m right in interpreting the last line as sarcasm, because if it is it’s fantastic.
I have the views I have because of my family history. My family has a genetic tendancy toward obesity and those of us that have staved off or conquered it have done so through hard work. I have several family members that say they are the way they are not because of the obscene amounts of food they eat and lack of movement, but because their genes dictate it. These are people who polish off a #10 can of chili in a sitting and drink whole cases of soda in a day. It’s made me rather jaded in some respects; but I do recognize that other methods of weight management have come about for a reason.
Back to this specific case. The patient presented at the ER and the on call surgeon requested that the hospital radiology dept do a CAT scan. They refused because the table weight limit at Englewood is 275lbs and the pt was too fat to squeeze into the tube. Doing so could cause $100,000. plus damage to the machine. Covering surgeon then attempted to locate an alternate large CAT scan machine to forward pt but was unable to.
Bariatric surgery is dangerous and a last resort. Malpractice rates here in NJ are even higher than vascular. One last thing. The accepted standard of care for weight loss surgery requires a pre-surgical psychological evaluation which screens potential pts to insure they have first attempted all the standard weight loss efforts.
This is a sensitive issue for me. I was picked on as a child mercilessly for my weight. Even as a young boy I had a huge belly. I participated in all sorts of athletics to lose the weight.
But still my huge belly hung so low that it covered my private parts. This in conjunction with large man breats caused the boys in the lockeroom to question my gender.
I tried to pretend that it didnt bother me but it was tough. I was at a highschool football game, and my pants were hard to sinch up tight becasue of the excess weight, and a young boy pulled down my pants in front of all the cheerleaders and proclaimed I had no penis.
Because of my weight I struggled to bend over to pull up my pants at all and when I bent over there was a large groan from the whole crowd.
Throughout it all I percervered, but it wasnt easy getting over this behaviour.
I starved myself to lose weight, but it was always gained back.
I was never able to have intercourse with a women, until I brokedown and paid an extra $300 premium over the regular charge to a low class prostitute.
So you can only imagine how much I wanted to lose this weight. I tried everything and I WORKED HARD. So when the opportunity came along to have this surgery I jumped at it.
Now my life has turned around. At my last high school reunion no one recognized me, and I was even able to have sexual intercourse for the first time without paying for it. It was with one of the cheerleaders who used to laugh at me. I didnt even tell her who I was until it was over. It was one of the most satisfying moments of my life. Now I like to be on top.
So as you can imagine, I am in favor of this surgery no matter what the risks may be.
Uh…wow.
Congrats on finding your wiener and bagging the cheerleader. :gives two thumbs up:
Now, I’m not fat, so I’ve known exactly where my wiener has been for years; and I don’t mind sayin’, there’s been more than a few cheerleaders in that equation lemme tell you.
One interesting observation though; everybody I personally know that is fat eats WAY more than I do and is not near as active.
That being said; gastric bypass does nothing more than MANDATE that you can’t eat a lot of food. So when someone says that it is not the “right” way of losing weight or suggests that there are better and healthier alternatives, they are more than likely just trying to say that it is not doing anything that a properly motivated individual couldn’t do on their own while avoiding all the risks associated with the surgury.
Reason, in the main you are correct, but there are those who, for whatever reason, cannot control intake. It might be a metabolism or absorption issue, it might be a thyroid issue, it might be conditioning (they never learned what “full” feels like, so overeat because they no longer have the biological imperitive to stop eating), or a psychological reason.
I believe the majority of overweight people can take care of their weight with proper eating and movement. There are those that need the assistance.
If anyone ever does discover the elusive 300 lb high school linebacker, anywhere on the planet, I want to be the first to know. I don’t know about anyone else, but I thought Dawns innocent mistake about 300 lb linebackers was kind of funny and cute. I had no idea anyone would take themselves so seriously, after they make a mistake, that they would feel the need to explain themselves, and everything about themselves, in order to achieve just what exactly? This started as a story about a 400 lb kid who had gastric bypass and died from complications. Then somebody, for some reason, tried to blame it on high school football and the new phenomenon of 300 lb linebackers. Most guys know there are no 300 lb high school linebackers, and for that matter only a few high school players nationwide at any position who exceed 300 lbs. THEREIN IS THE HUMOR!
Again, lighten up. The lady doth protest too much.