Thank you Dawn! It is about time woman out there say someting about “people” with nothing better to do than insult us with their lame comments. I scan these comments occasionally but rarly do now days because of “people” who through in their two cents , which is worth nothing to the insurance community.
Did I type ‘staple Dawn in my stomach?’
I meant ‘mechanically fasten Dawn in my stomach, maybe with threaded fasteners’.
Geez, I can’t believe you people are so sensitive.
D, in the name of all thats holy, activate spellcheck.
Dawn, I never insulted you and I took the time to read the articles you cited – hence my comment on those articles.
I stated in my first comment that I don’t know enough about this particular procedure to comment on the case. And I still don’t. What I do know is that being that big is not healthy in the main. I also assume that since he went in to have his stomach altered to lose weight that he was not all ripped lean muscle and bone – that he was obese and over-fat.
It would be a rare case indeed if he gained all the weight while an adult. So I’m assuming his parents were not watching out for him during his teenage years and allowed him to get big without intervening effectively. The sports he played in may, and probably did, have an effect on his decisions, but his parents also failed to guide him appropriately and effectively. I don’t place the entire blame on them because the zeitgeist of America does place a lot of value on athletes and puts out some very disturbing thoughts of what athletes should look like. And then there’s the responsibility that should be assigned to the kid because nobody held him down and force-fed him.
People who become morbidly obese and wish to become healthy do need compassion. They also need to be held accountable for their own actions. Just because this is a sensitive subject does not mean we shouldn’t be frank about the issue. We should be frank because of how sensitive the subject is. *****-footing around helps nobody.
Weight is a sensitive issue with me, to be honest. I’ve always battled with it. (years of steroid asthma meds loooooooong before they realized how bad they are for you probably had a lot to do with it)
So I have done the research on it, more to find ways to fight the ‘fight’ myself more then anything else. The people on this board would point at my best friend and laugh or make horrid remarks because she is on steroids almost every day of her life due to Lupus and her weight shows the results. Gil would have a field day with her. But hey, she’s alive, which is more then the doctors thought she would be this far down the road, so the h* l l with them.
I apologize I took any of your comments out of context.
Every once in a while the vicious attacks on this board really hit a sore spot and I tend to go ‘ballistic’.
lastbat, you really shouldn’t comment on subjects where you have no knowledge, like this surgery. I fought weight my entire life. When I was 49 my doctor told me that I have the surgery or be dead in a few years. Big choice. I actually have heard uninformed and unsympathetic people say stupid stuff like the surgery is “cheating” and you should only do it the “right” way. You and people who think they are entitled to comment on the “right” way of losing weight are idiots and need to shut their traps. I lost 170 pounds and weigh less now than I did my senior year in high school. My health is great and my life has significantly improved due to this surgery. Are there risks? There are risks getting in the shower in the morning. Life is a risk. Take a look at diet statistics sometime. Almost nobody who diets to lose obese amounts of weight actually keeps it off. The surgery works, it helps people live longer and more satisfying lives. Uninformed and pompus morons such as you make me ill. Maybe I can sue you for emotional injuries.
Nobody, there is no need to resort to insults. I stated I can’t comment on the surgery because I don’t know enough about it. I don’t know the risks, the procedure, how often the patient should be checked out, how long such checkups should take, how many there should be, what they entail, what goes into recommending the procedure or anything else regarding the procedure. So I didn’t. I have no idea if the jury got this one right or not. I have no idea if the doctors did their job. So I didn’t comment on it.
What I did comment on is how this could have been prevented from the get-go in the majority of cases. I used generalizations because they are generally true. There will always be exceptions to every rule but we can’t necessarily address every exception. There are people taking certain medications that make it near-impossible to maintain the body composition they desire; people with thyroid issues; people with metabolism issues; people with physical ailments that prevent movement; people with digestive tract issues; the list goes on. But in main, generally speaking, the comments I made were spot on and accurate.
To call me uninformed is a huge leap on your part as you know nothing about my life regarding this issue. I’ll cop to pompous because that’s an opinion of my tone. I make no assumptions about the lives of others posting and ask they make no assumptions about mine. Address your comments to the substance of my comments or I ask you to not address me at all.
Your earlier comments to me sounded and were insulting to me and any others who struggle with weight. I have heard and felt every insult possible from people who assume that overweight people are simply weak willed. You don’t know what it’s like and should not comment on things you don’t understand. I have been looked on as less than human in my life because of my weight problems. Who cares why there is a weight problem? If this helps, regardless of the opinion of others, it should be done if that’s what will help. Your comments indicate you have no clue as to the world of the obese person and should not feel as though you can tell us what to do and why. Sorry you find this personally insulting. You just simply stuck your opinion in where is isn’t welcome. That’s my opinion.
I commend anyone that has battled with obesity and won!!! Great job. My husband battled with it from grade school and just delt with it because he was treated so rudely by so many doctors. He & I researched gastric bypass surgery for years and we were never quite sure it was right. But then we had a son and a great reason for my husband to live for as long as he could. We, wrongly, believed that our son would be able to deal with daddy’s weight. And he didn’t seem to care until a friend at daycare made fun of him because dad is fat. My 4 year old was so devistated that he made me promis that daddy would not pick him up from school again.
That was the last straw. After pushing his doctor, my husband was finally recommended for the surgery. He has lost 220 lbs since June 2007. He has never been this healthy and his confidence has increased 10 fold.
I am sure I over reacted a bit with some previous comments, but I have heard so many, from so many people, that he should have done it “the right way”. This was the right way for him and the BEST thing that he has ever done for us. We are so very proud of him.
It really irks me when people assume what others have gone through. For some reason there are a couple people who assume that those of us who champion proper diet and movement as the best way to lose weight have no idea what it’s like to be overweight, have no idea what the morbidly obese go through. I find it insulting.
Since others have revealed some of their stories – and in a, probably futile, attempt to get people to stop focusing on what they think they know about me in their comments – here is some of my story:
I recently lost 45lbs and 8% body fat going from obese to average, and am still working on it. I did it all through diet and exercise.
My favorite uncle has dropped over 100lbs and is still overweight (mid-200’s) from diet and increased movement. He has experienced discrimination from his doctor and in housing because of his weight, but he soldiers on. His movements are limited due to the effects of a lifetime of morbid obesity, but he realized he couldn’t keep eating a #10 can of chili every day and stay alive. He decided to eat better and move as much as he can. Martha Stewart is now a staple of his t.v. diet to learn how to live a better life.
My brother-in-law had stomach surgery to correct massive ulcers. He lost over 60lbs but has gained much of it back due to improper diet control and lack of movement. He recognizes this and is currently changing his diet and movement habits so he can be healthier for the son that recently came into his life.
My sister had stomach surgery to correct an acid reflux problem and dropped over 50lbs. She is currently losing weight through diet and movement to get back down to a healthy body composition. Even after the stomach surgery she was still obese, and recognized it. Pregnancy didn’t help with weight loss either (mild joke there).
My other sister has started eating better and purchased an elliptical machine to assist in moving more because she realized that with over 100 extra pounds she can’t keep up with her 9-year old daughter. She wants to stop having people look at her like she’s disgusting and she’s tired of feeling fat.
My brother lost about 60-80lbs (he never told me the final number) preparing to go into the army, and kept it off after coming back home by bicycling into work with a 30-mile round trip every day. He’s gained back 40lbs since he took a job that keeps him sitting down most of the day. He and his wife are both overweight and face discrimination from co-workers and others every day.
Is this enough personal information to allow me in the club to comment on the issue of weight? Or do I have to talk about the rest of my morbidly obese family. I can name maybe 10 people in my entire family line who aren’t morbidly obese, many of them 400lbs or heavier (I’m not exagerating). Are you happy now?
Yes, this is sarcastic. Hopefully at least one person who assumed about others’ lives prior to this post will think twice before assuming in the future.
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Thank you Dawn! It is about time woman out there say someting about “people” with nothing better to do than insult us with their lame comments. I scan these comments occasionally but rarly do now days because of “people” who through in their two cents , which is worth nothing to the insurance community.
Did I type ‘staple Dawn in my stomach?’
I meant ‘mechanically fasten Dawn in my stomach, maybe with threaded fasteners’.
Geez, I can’t believe you people are so sensitive.
D, in the name of all thats holy, activate spellcheck.
Dawn, I never insulted you and I took the time to read the articles you cited – hence my comment on those articles.
I stated in my first comment that I don’t know enough about this particular procedure to comment on the case. And I still don’t. What I do know is that being that big is not healthy in the main. I also assume that since he went in to have his stomach altered to lose weight that he was not all ripped lean muscle and bone – that he was obese and over-fat.
It would be a rare case indeed if he gained all the weight while an adult. So I’m assuming his parents were not watching out for him during his teenage years and allowed him to get big without intervening effectively. The sports he played in may, and probably did, have an effect on his decisions, but his parents also failed to guide him appropriately and effectively. I don’t place the entire blame on them because the zeitgeist of America does place a lot of value on athletes and puts out some very disturbing thoughts of what athletes should look like. And then there’s the responsibility that should be assigned to the kid because nobody held him down and force-fed him.
People who become morbidly obese and wish to become healthy do need compassion. They also need to be held accountable for their own actions. Just because this is a sensitive subject does not mean we shouldn’t be frank about the issue. We should be frank because of how sensitive the subject is. *****-footing around helps nobody.
Weight is a sensitive issue with me, to be honest. I’ve always battled with it. (years of steroid asthma meds loooooooong before they realized how bad they are for you probably had a lot to do with it)
So I have done the research on it, more to find ways to fight the ‘fight’ myself more then anything else. The people on this board would point at my best friend and laugh or make horrid remarks because she is on steroids almost every day of her life due to Lupus and her weight shows the results. Gil would have a field day with her. But hey, she’s alive, which is more then the doctors thought she would be this far down the road, so the h* l l with them.
I apologize I took any of your comments out of context.
Every once in a while the vicious attacks on this board really hit a sore spot and I tend to go ‘ballistic’.
I have a lot of respect for waht you have gone through Dawn, you seem like a really cool person. Sorry.
lastbat, you really shouldn’t comment on subjects where you have no knowledge, like this surgery. I fought weight my entire life. When I was 49 my doctor told me that I have the surgery or be dead in a few years. Big choice. I actually have heard uninformed and unsympathetic people say stupid stuff like the surgery is “cheating” and you should only do it the “right” way. You and people who think they are entitled to comment on the “right” way of losing weight are idiots and need to shut their traps. I lost 170 pounds and weigh less now than I did my senior year in high school. My health is great and my life has significantly improved due to this surgery. Are there risks? There are risks getting in the shower in the morning. Life is a risk. Take a look at diet statistics sometime. Almost nobody who diets to lose obese amounts of weight actually keeps it off. The surgery works, it helps people live longer and more satisfying lives. Uninformed and pompus morons such as you make me ill. Maybe I can sue you for emotional injuries.
Nobody, there is no need to resort to insults. I stated I can’t comment on the surgery because I don’t know enough about it. I don’t know the risks, the procedure, how often the patient should be checked out, how long such checkups should take, how many there should be, what they entail, what goes into recommending the procedure or anything else regarding the procedure. So I didn’t. I have no idea if the jury got this one right or not. I have no idea if the doctors did their job. So I didn’t comment on it.
What I did comment on is how this could have been prevented from the get-go in the majority of cases. I used generalizations because they are generally true. There will always be exceptions to every rule but we can’t necessarily address every exception. There are people taking certain medications that make it near-impossible to maintain the body composition they desire; people with thyroid issues; people with metabolism issues; people with physical ailments that prevent movement; people with digestive tract issues; the list goes on. But in main, generally speaking, the comments I made were spot on and accurate.
To call me uninformed is a huge leap on your part as you know nothing about my life regarding this issue. I’ll cop to pompous because that’s an opinion of my tone. I make no assumptions about the lives of others posting and ask they make no assumptions about mine. Address your comments to the substance of my comments or I ask you to not address me at all.
Your earlier comments to me sounded and were insulting to me and any others who struggle with weight. I have heard and felt every insult possible from people who assume that overweight people are simply weak willed. You don’t know what it’s like and should not comment on things you don’t understand. I have been looked on as less than human in my life because of my weight problems. Who cares why there is a weight problem? If this helps, regardless of the opinion of others, it should be done if that’s what will help. Your comments indicate you have no clue as to the world of the obese person and should not feel as though you can tell us what to do and why. Sorry you find this personally insulting. You just simply stuck your opinion in where is isn’t welcome. That’s my opinion.
I commend anyone that has battled with obesity and won!!! Great job. My husband battled with it from grade school and just delt with it because he was treated so rudely by so many doctors. He & I researched gastric bypass surgery for years and we were never quite sure it was right. But then we had a son and a great reason for my husband to live for as long as he could. We, wrongly, believed that our son would be able to deal with daddy’s weight. And he didn’t seem to care until a friend at daycare made fun of him because dad is fat. My 4 year old was so devistated that he made me promis that daddy would not pick him up from school again.
That was the last straw. After pushing his doctor, my husband was finally recommended for the surgery. He has lost 220 lbs since June 2007. He has never been this healthy and his confidence has increased 10 fold.
I am sure I over reacted a bit with some previous comments, but I have heard so many, from so many people, that he should have done it “the right way”. This was the right way for him and the BEST thing that he has ever done for us. We are so very proud of him.
It really irks me when people assume what others have gone through. For some reason there are a couple people who assume that those of us who champion proper diet and movement as the best way to lose weight have no idea what it’s like to be overweight, have no idea what the morbidly obese go through. I find it insulting.
Since others have revealed some of their stories – and in a, probably futile, attempt to get people to stop focusing on what they think they know about me in their comments – here is some of my story:
I recently lost 45lbs and 8% body fat going from obese to average, and am still working on it. I did it all through diet and exercise.
My favorite uncle has dropped over 100lbs and is still overweight (mid-200’s) from diet and increased movement. He has experienced discrimination from his doctor and in housing because of his weight, but he soldiers on. His movements are limited due to the effects of a lifetime of morbid obesity, but he realized he couldn’t keep eating a #10 can of chili every day and stay alive. He decided to eat better and move as much as he can. Martha Stewart is now a staple of his t.v. diet to learn how to live a better life.
My brother-in-law had stomach surgery to correct massive ulcers. He lost over 60lbs but has gained much of it back due to improper diet control and lack of movement. He recognizes this and is currently changing his diet and movement habits so he can be healthier for the son that recently came into his life.
My sister had stomach surgery to correct an acid reflux problem and dropped over 50lbs. She is currently losing weight through diet and movement to get back down to a healthy body composition. Even after the stomach surgery she was still obese, and recognized it. Pregnancy didn’t help with weight loss either (mild joke there).
My other sister has started eating better and purchased an elliptical machine to assist in moving more because she realized that with over 100 extra pounds she can’t keep up with her 9-year old daughter. She wants to stop having people look at her like she’s disgusting and she’s tired of feeling fat.
My brother lost about 60-80lbs (he never told me the final number) preparing to go into the army, and kept it off after coming back home by bicycling into work with a 30-mile round trip every day. He’s gained back 40lbs since he took a job that keeps him sitting down most of the day. He and his wife are both overweight and face discrimination from co-workers and others every day.
Is this enough personal information to allow me in the club to comment on the issue of weight? Or do I have to talk about the rest of my morbidly obese family. I can name maybe 10 people in my entire family line who aren’t morbidly obese, many of them 400lbs or heavier (I’m not exagerating). Are you happy now?
Yes, this is sarcastic. Hopefully at least one person who assumed about others’ lives prior to this post will think twice before assuming in the future.