“I want all Islamic terrorists hunted down and exterminated. But demonmizing all Muslims for the words found in the Koran makes the goal harder to achieve.”
Why? That is nonsensical. Would you say that it is better not to read Mein Kampf in order to understand Nazis? It iw better not to read Das Capital or the Communist Manifesto to understand Marxism? May we not attribute the words of these books to the intentions of the people who claim them as their guiding lights?
You are apparently ready to defend at all costs something of which you are wholly ignorant.
“But there is no doubt that the extremists are practicing pure Islam as directed by Muhammad. The Muslims who are not engaged in violent jihad are nominal Muslims.”
Some people believe that Catholics who are pro-choice are only nominal Catholics, because the Pope forbids abortion. But the Pope also forbids the death penalty. A different group feels that Catholic supporters of the death penalty are only nominal Catholics.
You keep mischaracterizing my arguments. I’m not equating the Bible and the Koran in terms of which religion speaks more violently and spawns more violence. At this point in time, Islam is in the lead. I’m equating believers of all religions based on their individual capacity for violence and redemption. It is not the group we need to fear, it the individuals in that group who plot against us.
“Telling the truth about Islam or communist fronts is apparently problematic for you. I’m sorry that you have such a low regard for the truth. Why don’t you just stick your head back in the sand, or wherever it usually is?”
I don’t mind the truth. Your spin on it is not true. Guilt by association is a common ploy used when you have no substantive answer to an argument. Rather than discuss the issues raised in the quote by the AFSC, you seek to leave the impression that they have the same goals as “communists,” and therefore, they must be “communists.” Rather than argue forcefully that the US has always been a force for naught but good in the world, you smear. It was shameful in the 50’s, and it is shameful now.
All I was saying was that those who practice fundamentalist Islam are doing the real thing, those who don’t are nominal Muslims, like the non-maniacal Germans that you reference. You are a poor thinker. You repeat my syllogism as your own and renounce it.
Today there’s a story about a true Muslim, who killed a man (his own brother) for not being Muslim enough. No more posts from me, ta ta.
Montreal man killed by his brother for being a bad Muslim.
When a society imports large numbers of people from a culture that tolerates this kind of murder of the religiously deviant, or at very least from countries in which many people believe that if El-Mehdi really was a bad Muslim, then he deserved everything he got, then no one should be surprised when this kind of thing happens in the new land. No one dares address the idea that it is permissible to murder apostates in Islam. No one would dare require immigrants to renounce this idea. No one would dare require mosques to hold programs teaching against this idea, and other Sharia provisions, if they want to stay in the West. No, they’re imported wholesale, with no consideration of the ramifications.
Since none of the high-profile Muslim groups in the U.S. have declared the execution of apostates, as sanctioned by Islamic law, to be impermissible and wrong in all circumstances today, and none have renounced jihad warfare against unbelievers in order ultimately to subjugate them, is that really a wise course to take?
“He is a believer in Satan,” said Najib Bellari about his brother El-Medhi, just after he stabbed him to his death at a downtown restaurant where he was working on October 24, 2005.
This is what two of his coworkers declared about the 36-year-old defendent yesterday, during the trial for the murder of his brother, in front of judge Marc David.
According to their testimony, from Najib Bellari’s point of view, his elder brother was a bad Muslim.
The night of the murder, Najib Bellari, who currently studies administration in his native Morocco, returned to Basha on Sainte-Catherine Street, the restaurant where he works as a dishwasher.
“I want to speak to my brother”
“During the evening, a nice gentleman, the kind you can welcome with pleasure, a smiling, beautiful man, entered the restaurant and said, ‘I want to speak to my brother,'” testified the owner of Basha, Youssef Sbeiti.
The man, El-Mehdi, 38 years old, was the elder brother of Najib.
El-Mehdi was brought into the kitchen of the restaurant, where Najib was, by Mohammad Ibnzakour, the chef.
“It’s the brother who started to speak. I couldn’t hear, they spoke too low in a polite manner, then I heard Najib shout Leave! Leave!,” testified Mr. Ibnzakour.
Mr. Ibnzakour continued pointing out that the defendant took a kitchen knife, about thirty centimeters, and pointed it towards his brother.
“His brother started to move backwards in the dining room, and tried to calm him. He threw several chairs on the ground to block his way. Then he turned to Youssef to tell him why he came, and Najib then took the opportunity to stab him in the neck,” continued Mohammad Ibnzakour.
“His blood squirted on the walls. He left the restaurant and fell on the ground,” observed Mr. Sbeiti.
Bad Muslim
“He was a believer in Satan,” Najib said about his elder brother.
He then dropped his knife, placed the chairs and tables back in place, then sat down while waiting for the police.
Mohammad Ibnzakour described the defendant as a scholar of Islam.
“He has a good understanding of Islam. I would regularly ask him questions about Islam. He would answer. He taught me,” he remembered.
But Najib was also a conservative practitioner, who qualified those who were not observant as “deviant.”
Ibnzakour’s testimony caused loud sobbing from the defendant.
Hey that sounds like what that evangelist guy Bill Keller said about Mitt Romney the Republican Presidential Contender:
“Florida evangelist Bill Keller says he was making a spiritual — not political — statement when he warned the 2.4 million subscribers to his Internet prayer ministry that “if you vote for Mitt Romney, you are voting for Satan!”
But the Washington-based advocacy group Americans United for Separation of Church and State says the Internal Revenue Service should revoke the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status of Bill Keller Ministries, nonetheless.
Keller, 49, who has a call-in show on a Tampa television station and a Web site called Liveprayer.com, on May 11 sent out a “daily devotional” that called Romney “an unabashed and proud member of the Mormon cult founded by a murdering polygamist pedophile named Joseph Smith nearly 200 years ago.” If the former Massachusetts governor wins the GOP nomination and the presidency, Keller’s message added, it will “ultimately lead millions of souls to the eternal flames of hell.”…
Why must we demonize whose whose faiths are dissimilar from ours? What is to be gained from trashing one another’s faith or practice of faith??I remember a young nephew who was attending a faith based elementary school kindly reassuring me that when I die I would be given a chance to renounce my faith and declare allegiance to his faith in order to enter heaven.
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I probably should not have thrown Reverends Falwell and Robertson in with the Inquisition-it was a bit over the top.
I have serious problems with Islam, but it’s over the top to accuse the American Muslim community of biding their time.
Can’t argue with any of that.
I’ve enjoyed the discussion.
“I want all Islamic terrorists hunted down and exterminated. But demonmizing all Muslims for the words found in the Koran makes the goal harder to achieve.”
Why? That is nonsensical. Would you say that it is better not to read Mein Kampf in order to understand Nazis? It iw better not to read Das Capital or the Communist Manifesto to understand Marxism? May we not attribute the words of these books to the intentions of the people who claim them as their guiding lights?
You are apparently ready to defend at all costs something of which you are wholly ignorant.
“But there is no doubt that the extremists are practicing pure Islam as directed by Muhammad. The Muslims who are not engaged in violent jihad are nominal Muslims.”
Some people believe that Catholics who are pro-choice are only nominal Catholics, because the Pope forbids abortion. But the Pope also forbids the death penalty. A different group feels that Catholic supporters of the death penalty are only nominal Catholics.
You keep mischaracterizing my arguments. I’m not equating the Bible and the Koran in terms of which religion speaks more violently and spawns more violence. At this point in time, Islam is in the lead. I’m equating believers of all religions based on their individual capacity for violence and redemption. It is not the group we need to fear, it the individuals in that group who plot against us.
“Telling the truth about Islam or communist fronts is apparently problematic for you. I’m sorry that you have such a low regard for the truth. Why don’t you just stick your head back in the sand, or wherever it usually is?”
I don’t mind the truth. Your spin on it is not true. Guilt by association is a common ploy used when you have no substantive answer to an argument. Rather than discuss the issues raised in the quote by the AFSC, you seek to leave the impression that they have the same goals as “communists,” and therefore, they must be “communists.” Rather than argue forcefully that the US has always been a force for naught but good in the world, you smear. It was shameful in the 50’s, and it is shameful now.
I’m sorry, but you are incoherent.
Signing off,
Abu
Reading Mein Kampf helps us to understand Hitler and how he rose to power. Is it your position that all Germans during WW2 were maniacal Jew-haters?
“May we not attribute the words of these books to the intentions of the people who claim them as their guiding lights?”
Clearly, you want to do that, to everyone, even when they state clearly they don’t agree with your interpretation of the words.
Gee now that is downright unpolite.
All I was saying was that those who practice fundamentalist Islam are doing the real thing, those who don’t are nominal Muslims, like the non-maniacal Germans that you reference. You are a poor thinker. You repeat my syllogism as your own and renounce it.
Go here everyday – http://jihadwatch.org/
Today there’s a story about a true Muslim, who killed a man (his own brother) for not being Muslim enough. No more posts from me, ta ta.
Montreal man killed by his brother for being a bad Muslim.
When a society imports large numbers of people from a culture that tolerates this kind of murder of the religiously deviant, or at very least from countries in which many people believe that if El-Mehdi really was a bad Muslim, then he deserved everything he got, then no one should be surprised when this kind of thing happens in the new land. No one dares address the idea that it is permissible to murder apostates in Islam. No one would dare require immigrants to renounce this idea. No one would dare require mosques to hold programs teaching against this idea, and other Sharia provisions, if they want to stay in the West. No, they’re imported wholesale, with no consideration of the ramifications.
Since none of the high-profile Muslim groups in the U.S. have declared the execution of apostates, as sanctioned by Islamic law, to be impermissible and wrong in all circumstances today, and none have renounced jihad warfare against unbelievers in order ultimately to subjugate them, is that really a wise course to take?
Jihad Watch reader Marc has kindly sent in this translation of this French article, “Killed his own brother: ‘He was a believer in Satan,'” by David Santerre in Le Journal de Montréal:
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“He is a believer in Satan,” said Najib Bellari about his brother El-Medhi, just after he stabbed him to his death at a downtown restaurant where he was working on October 24, 2005.
This is what two of his coworkers declared about the 36-year-old defendent yesterday, during the trial for the murder of his brother, in front of judge Marc David.
According to their testimony, from Najib Bellari’s point of view, his elder brother was a bad Muslim.
The night of the murder, Najib Bellari, who currently studies administration in his native Morocco, returned to Basha on Sainte-Catherine Street, the restaurant where he works as a dishwasher.
“I want to speak to my brother”
“During the evening, a nice gentleman, the kind you can welcome with pleasure, a smiling, beautiful man, entered the restaurant and said, ‘I want to speak to my brother,'” testified the owner of Basha, Youssef Sbeiti.
The man, El-Mehdi, 38 years old, was the elder brother of Najib.
El-Mehdi was brought into the kitchen of the restaurant, where Najib was, by Mohammad Ibnzakour, the chef.
“It’s the brother who started to speak. I couldn’t hear, they spoke too low in a polite manner, then I heard Najib shout Leave! Leave!,” testified Mr. Ibnzakour.
Mr. Ibnzakour continued pointing out that the defendant took a kitchen knife, about thirty centimeters, and pointed it towards his brother.
“His brother started to move backwards in the dining room, and tried to calm him. He threw several chairs on the ground to block his way. Then he turned to Youssef to tell him why he came, and Najib then took the opportunity to stab him in the neck,” continued Mohammad Ibnzakour.
“His blood squirted on the walls. He left the restaurant and fell on the ground,” observed Mr. Sbeiti.
Bad Muslim
“He was a believer in Satan,” Najib said about his elder brother.
He then dropped his knife, placed the chairs and tables back in place, then sat down while waiting for the police.
Mohammad Ibnzakour described the defendant as a scholar of Islam.
“He has a good understanding of Islam. I would regularly ask him questions about Islam. He would answer. He taught me,” he remembered.
But Najib was also a conservative practitioner, who qualified those who were not observant as “deviant.”
Ibnzakour’s testimony caused loud sobbing from the defendant.
Hey that sounds like what that evangelist guy Bill Keller said about Mitt Romney the Republican Presidential Contender:
“Florida evangelist Bill Keller says he was making a spiritual — not political — statement when he warned the 2.4 million subscribers to his Internet prayer ministry that “if you vote for Mitt Romney, you are voting for Satan!”
But the Washington-based advocacy group Americans United for Separation of Church and State says the Internal Revenue Service should revoke the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status of Bill Keller Ministries, nonetheless.
Keller, 49, who has a call-in show on a Tampa television station and a Web site called Liveprayer.com, on May 11 sent out a “daily devotional” that called Romney “an unabashed and proud member of the Mormon cult founded by a murdering polygamist pedophile named Joseph Smith nearly 200 years ago.” If the former Massachusetts governor wins the GOP nomination and the presidency, Keller’s message added, it will “ultimately lead millions of souls to the eternal flames of hell.”…
Why must we demonize whose whose faiths are dissimilar from ours? What is to be gained from trashing one another’s faith or practice of faith??I remember a young nephew who was attending a faith based elementary school kindly reassuring me that when I die I would be given a chance to renounce my faith and declare allegiance to his faith in order to enter heaven.
Ouch!
But it isn’t a tenet of his faith to hunt the guy down and stab him, is it? It is a tenet of Islam to kill apostates.
Ouch!