Yes, Timothy McVeigh was a “dangerous whack job,” but at least he wasn’t doing it in the name of religion.
It’s ironic that we live in a country that protects the freedom of religion, even one that preaches the destruction of America. And if you don’t think this one does, you haven’t been listening.
Oh, and the Old Testament was a book of laws that we are no longer subject to…. The subject of the New Testament gave us grace – which is more than Islam preaches (I don’t believe they have room for grace).
Oh, forgot to mention, the subject of the New Testament – Christ; who died and rose again – and I don’t remember His teachings including the killing of those who disagree with you or don’t accept Him.
His grace is given as a free gift – your acceptance or denial of Him is your choice; and I won’t hunt you down if you don’t believe.
The above “rantings” are from a non-lunatic (even if you disagree) that cherishes God, Country and freedom – including your freedom to disagree with me.
1. Because of the nature of the pipeline and the physics of jet fuel, the “terrorist” plot was “technically infeasible.”
2. The investigation has been going on for a year and a half. The US Attorney knows, or should know, that her description of the possible devestation is hyperbole.
3. The real danger was economic. It was technically possible to cause a disruption in the jet fuel line that could have shut down JFK. So, the problem is the people in charge of protecting us are more interested in making us think they are keeping us safe instead of telling us the truth and focusing on the real dangers we face.
So terrorism is better, or at least not as bad, when it is non-religious? Maybe we should cut people like Eric Rudolph, the IRA, ETA, and the Klan a little slack?
And the Old Testament is a book of laws we are no longer subject to?
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.” Matther 5:17
“And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” Mark 7:9-10
“But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” Luke 19:27
“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22-23
I’m not trying to get into a drinking match over whose religious text condones more violence-I think the Koran wins that one. But it doesn’t follow that every member of a religious group believes in all the violence found in their holy books. Religious texts are notorious for internal inconsistency. People who want to do violence will always find a justification for their actions in them, just as will people who want to do good.
If those “few” are not representative of their religion, then neither is anyone else! As Plot Tracker states, how many other “non-representative” samples hatch such plots?
These knuckleheads are Muslims indeed, while most “followers of Islam” don’t know enough about their religion to practice it as it should be practiced, which includes killing non-Muslims:
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. – 9:73
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers….
What about the knuckleheads who don’t realize that Leviticus instructs them thusly:
For whatsoever man there be that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (20:9)
Most Jews and Christians reading such passages are capable of putting them into historical perspective. I would guess that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are similar. Our focus should be on eliminating those who are a danger to us. Timothy McVeigh was not a Muslim, but he was a dangerous whack job.
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Yes, Timothy McVeigh was a “dangerous whack job,” but at least he wasn’t doing it in the name of religion.
It’s ironic that we live in a country that protects the freedom of religion, even one that preaches the destruction of America. And if you don’t think this one does, you haven’t been listening.
Oh, and the Old Testament was a book of laws that we are no longer subject to…. The subject of the New Testament gave us grace – which is more than Islam preaches (I don’t believe they have room for grace).
Oh, forgot to mention, the subject of the New Testament – Christ; who died and rose again – and I don’t remember His teachings including the killing of those who disagree with you or don’t accept Him.
His grace is given as a free gift – your acceptance or denial of Him is your choice; and I won’t hunt you down if you don’t believe.
The above “rantings” are from a non-lunatic (even if you disagree) that cherishes God, Country and freedom – including your freedom to disagree with me.
Don’t these jokers know that Islam is a religion of peace?
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1. Because of the nature of the pipeline and the physics of jet fuel, the “terrorist” plot was “technically infeasible.”
2. The investigation has been going on for a year and a half. The US Attorney knows, or should know, that her description of the possible devestation is hyperbole.
3. The real danger was economic. It was technically possible to cause a disruption in the jet fuel line that could have shut down JFK. So, the problem is the people in charge of protecting us are more interested in making us think they are keeping us safe instead of telling us the truth and focusing on the real dangers we face.
These knuckleheads are not representative of the many fine people who are followers of Islam in the United States.
So terrorism is better, or at least not as bad, when it is non-religious? Maybe we should cut people like Eric Rudolph, the IRA, ETA, and the Klan a little slack?
And the Old Testament is a book of laws we are no longer subject to?
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.” Matther 5:17
“And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” Mark 7:9-10
“But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” Luke 19:27
“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:22-23
I’m not trying to get into a drinking match over whose religious text condones more violence-I think the Koran wins that one. But it doesn’t follow that every member of a religious group believes in all the violence found in their holy books. Religious texts are notorious for internal inconsistency. People who want to do violence will always find a justification for their actions in them, just as will people who want to do good.
Haven’t seen many such plots by Presbyterians lately; even by a “non-representative” sample.
If those “few” are not representative of their religion, then neither is anyone else! As Plot Tracker states, how many other “non-representative” samples hatch such plots?
These knuckleheads are Muslims indeed, while most “followers of Islam” don’t know enough about their religion to practice it as it should be practiced, which includes killing non-Muslims:
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. – 9:73
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers….
What about the knuckleheads who don’t realize that Leviticus instructs them thusly:
For whatsoever man there be that curseth his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (20:9)
Most Jews and Christians reading such passages are capable of putting them into historical perspective. I would guess that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are similar. Our focus should be on eliminating those who are a danger to us. Timothy McVeigh was not a Muslim, but he was a dangerous whack job.