LOL, thanks for taking the time to flesh out your case. I for one agree. Its’ not that I am in favor of drunk driving but that it is the only group being targeted. We let so many other negligent drivers off the hook, because….why? they were sober when they crashed? It is about getting revenge, pure and simple. and what gets me is that many of these drunk drivers are breadwinners, family oriented, made a mistake but we punish them so severely that they loose their jobs, livelihoods etc. There are other innocents who suffer becuase of the “draconian” measures put in place. And to make matters worse, MADD campaigns have created laws that tied the hands of judges who can no longer craft a sentence to fit the individual; everyone gets tarred with the same asphalt!
As MADD members are victims, they obviously have created a new class of victim. Victims of bad MADD backed legislation. Victims of MADD. With over 1.5m drivers arrested annually, the victims of MADD just keep piling up. Where are the laws to protect citizens from MADD vengeance run amuck?
Legislators fall into that black and white category of “if you don’t support MADD”, you’re obviously pro drunk driving. MADD has pandering legislators by the short hairs.
Batman,
The article only mentions Chuck one time and what it cites is true facts. Why must you come on here and slander these good people that are only trying to make a positive difference in this cruel world. If you like to toss a few brewskys down, call a cab from the bar or walk home. I hope you never have a few too many and try to drive home. We need much tougher laws to save precious innocent lives. Stay off the road this Christmas season after you’ve been to the bar!!!
I understand how the stats can be inflated to prove MADD’s point along with the rest of what you are saying. But, do you think the family that just lost their kid to a drunk driver gives a rats a$$ about that?
I think that excessive speeders that are sober and take someone out should have the same punishment as drunk drivers though.
I don’t want to get into a debate that will not satisfy either of us; you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Let me say that the MADD campaign has “worked” for me personally in that my wife and I never go out to eat because of the very stringent enforcement program they have in my county. But I can only say that while I feel sad for those who have lost someone due to a drunk driver, I only personally know one of them, my niece; she and several friends were bar hopping to celebrate a 21st birthday. Of the five in the car, only the driver survived and he will get his. On the other hand, I know 17 others who are now on some type of probation or served some time, along with probation, for DUI….all of them lost their jobs, all of them lost their licenses and now their spouses must find work to help support their families….my concern is that we black-balled a lot of people, and affected a lot of families just to get the pound of flesh that MADD demands….and it is all too easy for police departments to fund the over time to catch these “criminals’ when they can’ stop the rash of burglaries and robberies in our area. Why is it so easy to rob a convenience store? because the cops are busy running a DUI checkpoint instead….now who should be protected and served? all I want is some common sense application of sentencing, that’s all. to make one group feel better, we nail another group instead of find a way to protect both.
From LOL’s comment, I feel that they are in favor of true stats, and looking at stats in the right context, not that they are pro-drunk driving, or against harsh drunk driving laws.
You are correct in that everyone is entitled to your opinion even though yours is seriously flawed. Sorry to hear about your neice. So you and your wife can’t enjoy a night out together. Either watch you intake, have a designated driver or purchase a cheap portable breathalizer to monitor your level. Your county can’t be any more stringent than any other county. There is no comparison between a small time burglary and a DUI death. None. If it meant having 15 people blackballed that are drunk saved one life then I am all in favor of that trade-off. I want to thank you for staying home instead of running out partying and then putting others in danger.
I understand some of what LOL is saying here, but hang on for a minute. How is it that a one vehicle collision involving a drunk doesn’t count as part of the nation’s stats?
If you agree it’s not OK for a guy to get wasted and drive risking other’s lives, can you assert that if he falls off the road and only kills himself he doesn’t count?
Would he count if he has no insurance and hangs on in an intensive care unit costing us all a couple of hundred grand before he dies?
What drunk driving fatal statistics indicate is the amount of drunk driving trips made in a population.
A drunk drifts off the road, comes back, over-corrects and cuts two lanes of traffic. The difference between a multi car, multi fatality “innocent victim” collision and a one vehicle rollover killing the lone occupant driver is what? Bad luck?
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LOL, thanks for taking the time to flesh out your case. I for one agree. Its’ not that I am in favor of drunk driving but that it is the only group being targeted. We let so many other negligent drivers off the hook, because….why? they were sober when they crashed? It is about getting revenge, pure and simple. and what gets me is that many of these drunk drivers are breadwinners, family oriented, made a mistake but we punish them so severely that they loose their jobs, livelihoods etc. There are other innocents who suffer becuase of the “draconian” measures put in place. And to make matters worse, MADD campaigns have created laws that tied the hands of judges who can no longer craft a sentence to fit the individual; everyone gets tarred with the same asphalt!
As MADD members are victims, they obviously have created a new class of victim. Victims of bad MADD backed legislation. Victims of MADD. With over 1.5m drivers arrested annually, the victims of MADD just keep piling up. Where are the laws to protect citizens from MADD vengeance run amuck?
Legislators fall into that black and white category of “if you don’t support MADD”, you’re obviously pro drunk driving. MADD has pandering legislators by the short hairs.
Batman,
The article only mentions Chuck one time and what it cites is true facts. Why must you come on here and slander these good people that are only trying to make a positive difference in this cruel world. If you like to toss a few brewskys down, call a cab from the bar or walk home. I hope you never have a few too many and try to drive home. We need much tougher laws to save precious innocent lives. Stay off the road this Christmas season after you’ve been to the bar!!!
I understand how the stats can be inflated to prove MADD’s point along with the rest of what you are saying. But, do you think the family that just lost their kid to a drunk driver gives a rats a$$ about that?
I think that excessive speeders that are sober and take someone out should have the same punishment as drunk drivers though.
I don’t want to get into a debate that will not satisfy either of us; you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Let me say that the MADD campaign has “worked” for me personally in that my wife and I never go out to eat because of the very stringent enforcement program they have in my county. But I can only say that while I feel sad for those who have lost someone due to a drunk driver, I only personally know one of them, my niece; she and several friends were bar hopping to celebrate a 21st birthday. Of the five in the car, only the driver survived and he will get his. On the other hand, I know 17 others who are now on some type of probation or served some time, along with probation, for DUI….all of them lost their jobs, all of them lost their licenses and now their spouses must find work to help support their families….my concern is that we black-balled a lot of people, and affected a lot of families just to get the pound of flesh that MADD demands….and it is all too easy for police departments to fund the over time to catch these “criminals’ when they can’ stop the rash of burglaries and robberies in our area. Why is it so easy to rob a convenience store? because the cops are busy running a DUI checkpoint instead….now who should be protected and served? all I want is some common sense application of sentencing, that’s all. to make one group feel better, we nail another group instead of find a way to protect both.
From LOL’s comment, I feel that they are in favor of true stats, and looking at stats in the right context, not that they are pro-drunk driving, or against harsh drunk driving laws.
You are correct in that everyone is entitled to your opinion even though yours is seriously flawed. Sorry to hear about your neice. So you and your wife can’t enjoy a night out together. Either watch you intake, have a designated driver or purchase a cheap portable breathalizer to monitor your level. Your county can’t be any more stringent than any other county. There is no comparison between a small time burglary and a DUI death. None. If it meant having 15 people blackballed that are drunk saved one life then I am all in favor of that trade-off. I want to thank you for staying home instead of running out partying and then putting others in danger.
I understand some of what LOL is saying here, but hang on for a minute. How is it that a one vehicle collision involving a drunk doesn’t count as part of the nation’s stats?
If you agree it’s not OK for a guy to get wasted and drive risking other’s lives, can you assert that if he falls off the road and only kills himself he doesn’t count?
Would he count if he has no insurance and hangs on in an intensive care unit costing us all a couple of hundred grand before he dies?
What drunk driving fatal statistics indicate is the amount of drunk driving trips made in a population.
A drunk drifts off the road, comes back, over-corrects and cuts two lanes of traffic. The difference between a multi car, multi fatality “innocent victim” collision and a one vehicle rollover killing the lone occupant driver is what? Bad luck?