You sound like an apologist for the Republican Party trying desperately to rewrite history to conform to the debacle in Iraq. The war we brought to that country to save them from themselves has cost the lives of at least 135,000 that includes 3931 US troops. This is not a game to be won by political persuasion nor an argument to bolster the argument for the attack. These are real lives we are talking about sacrificed based on a false premise that Iraq had some weapons of “mass destruction”. By the way, there will come a day when the US will be ordered the “international community” to do something we find abhorent, such as disarm our citizens, under the threat of sanctions such as we have promulgated. The weapons of politics we have used will be used against us.
There is no justification to call evil good and good evil. No, Mr. Hussain was not a good man by any measure, but the world is filled with despots and dethroning them is out our responsibility nor is it worth US lives to do so. If they attack the US, by all means we need to defend the country. Until then, US blood should not and cannot be justified.
Someone I know once knew someone who died from a peanut and another who was whacked by an asteroid, Then the asteroid guy knew someone that drowned in his own toilet. To top it all off, I have been struck by lightening.
According to the odds; I’M DOOMED!!!!
But that being said, I have to agree with Jasper; what does this have to do with Maud’s “doo-doo” brown Prius and the expense associated with insuring her bad driving habits?
Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles – the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.
The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.
So, if you are an environmentalist – ditch the Prius. Instead, buy one of the most economical cars available – a Toyota Scion xB. The Scion only costs a paltry $0.48 per mile to put on the road. If you are still obsessed over gas mileage – buy a Chevy Aveo and fix that lead foot.
Given current trends, there will be more than one million hybrid gas-electric vehicles on American roads by late 2007 or early 2008. Many will celebrate reaching the milestone of one million hybrids zipping around on power from their rechargeable batteries—and burning a lot less petroleum. But some environmentally motivated car buyers are concerned about trading one problem for another. They worry that a hybrid utopia might turn into a toxic nightmare when the nickel metal hydride batteries in today’s hybrids end up in landfills. After all, aren’t all car batteries —conventional lead acid and hybrid batteries alike—filled with the same nasty corrosive carcinogenic ooze?
According to environmental researchers, that’s not the case. Jim Kliesch, author of the “Green Book: The Environmental Guide to Cars and Trucks” told HybridCars.com, “There are many types of batteries. Some are far more toxic than others. While batteries like lead acid or nickel cadmium are incredibly bad for the environment, the toxicity levels and environmental impact of nickel metal hydride batteries—the type currently used in hybrids—are much lower.”
Get the Lead Out
There’s little argument that lead is extremely toxic. Scientific studies show that long-term exposure to even tiny amounts of lead can cause brain and kidney damage, hearing impairment, and learning problems in children. The auto industry uses over one million metric tons of lead every year, with 90% going to conventional lead-acid vehicle batteries.
According to a 2003 report entitled, “Getting the Lead Out,” by Environmental Defense and the Ecology Center of Ann Arbor, Mich., an estimated 2.6 million metric tons of lead can be found in the batteries of vehicles on the road today.
While lead recycling is a mature industry, it’s impossible to rescue every car battery from the dump. More than 40,000 metric tons of lead are lost to landfills every year. According to the federal Toxic Release Inventory, another 70,000 metric tons are released in the lead mining and manufacturing process.
The Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.
The plant is the source of all the nickel found in a Prius’ battery and Toyota purchases 1,000 tons annually. Dubbed the Superstack, the plague-factory has spread sulfur dioxide across northern Ontario, becoming every environmentalist’s nightmare.
“The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants and the soil slid down off the hillside,” said Canadian Greenpeace energy-coordinator David Martin during an interview with Mail, a British-based newspaper.
All of this would be bad enough in and of itself; however, the journey to make a hybrid doesn’t end there. The nickel produced by this disastrous plant is shipped via massive container ship to the largest nickel refinery in Europe. From there, the nickel hops over to China to produce ‘nickel foam.’ From there, it goes to Japan. Finally, the completed batteries are shipped to the United States, finalizing the around-the-world trip required to produce a single Prius battery. Are these not sounding less and less like environmentally sound cars and more like a farce?
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You sound like an apologist for the Republican Party trying desperately to rewrite history to conform to the debacle in Iraq. The war we brought to that country to save them from themselves has cost the lives of at least 135,000 that includes 3931 US troops. This is not a game to be won by political persuasion nor an argument to bolster the argument for the attack. These are real lives we are talking about sacrificed based on a false premise that Iraq had some weapons of “mass destruction”. By the way, there will come a day when the US will be ordered the “international community” to do something we find abhorent, such as disarm our citizens, under the threat of sanctions such as we have promulgated. The weapons of politics we have used will be used against us.
There is no justification to call evil good and good evil. No, Mr. Hussain was not a good man by any measure, but the world is filled with despots and dethroning them is out our responsibility nor is it worth US lives to do so. If they attack the US, by all means we need to defend the country. Until then, US blood should not and cannot be justified.
what does all this drivel about iraq and bush have to do with Pickups, Hybrids Most Expensive Vehicles to Insure
Is the Prius a weapon of mass destruction?
CRAP!!!
Someone I know once knew someone who died from a peanut and another who was whacked by an asteroid, Then the asteroid guy knew someone that drowned in his own toilet. To top it all off, I have been struck by lightening.
According to the odds; I’M DOOMED!!!!
But that being said, I have to agree with Jasper; what does this have to do with Maud’s “doo-doo” brown Prius and the expense associated with insuring her bad driving habits?
Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles – the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.
The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.
So, if you are an environmentalist – ditch the Prius. Instead, buy one of the most economical cars available – a Toyota Scion xB. The Scion only costs a paltry $0.48 per mile to put on the road. If you are still obsessed over gas mileage – buy a Chevy Aveo and fix that lead foot.
Given current trends, there will be more than one million hybrid gas-electric vehicles on American roads by late 2007 or early 2008. Many will celebrate reaching the milestone of one million hybrids zipping around on power from their rechargeable batteries—and burning a lot less petroleum. But some environmentally motivated car buyers are concerned about trading one problem for another. They worry that a hybrid utopia might turn into a toxic nightmare when the nickel metal hydride batteries in today’s hybrids end up in landfills. After all, aren’t all car batteries —conventional lead acid and hybrid batteries alike—filled with the same nasty corrosive carcinogenic ooze?
According to environmental researchers, that’s not the case. Jim Kliesch, author of the “Green Book: The Environmental Guide to Cars and Trucks” told HybridCars.com, “There are many types of batteries. Some are far more toxic than others. While batteries like lead acid or nickel cadmium are incredibly bad for the environment, the toxicity levels and environmental impact of nickel metal hydride batteries—the type currently used in hybrids—are much lower.”
Get the Lead Out
There’s little argument that lead is extremely toxic. Scientific studies show that long-term exposure to even tiny amounts of lead can cause brain and kidney damage, hearing impairment, and learning problems in children. The auto industry uses over one million metric tons of lead every year, with 90% going to conventional lead-acid vehicle batteries.
According to a 2003 report entitled, “Getting the Lead Out,” by Environmental Defense and the Ecology Center of Ann Arbor, Mich., an estimated 2.6 million metric tons of lead can be found in the batteries of vehicles on the road today.
While lead recycling is a mature industry, it’s impossible to rescue every car battery from the dump. More than 40,000 metric tons of lead are lost to landfills every year. According to the federal Toxic Release Inventory, another 70,000 metric tons are released in the lead mining and manufacturing process.
I wonder if these Prius combined energy numbers are taking into account all the hot air spewed by their drivers…
They possibly are if driven by Maud! And so, could explain why they are so expensive to insure.
The Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.
The plant is the source of all the nickel found in a Prius’ battery and Toyota purchases 1,000 tons annually. Dubbed the Superstack, the plague-factory has spread sulfur dioxide across northern Ontario, becoming every environmentalist’s nightmare.
“The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants and the soil slid down off the hillside,” said Canadian Greenpeace energy-coordinator David Martin during an interview with Mail, a British-based newspaper.
All of this would be bad enough in and of itself; however, the journey to make a hybrid doesn’t end there. The nickel produced by this disastrous plant is shipped via massive container ship to the largest nickel refinery in Europe. From there, the nickel hops over to China to produce ‘nickel foam.’ From there, it goes to Japan. Finally, the completed batteries are shipped to the United States, finalizing the around-the-world trip required to produce a single Prius battery. Are these not sounding less and less like environmentally sound cars and more like a farce?
Ironically, that takes us back to the main reason for smog in Los Angeles…INDUSTRY.
GAWD I’m good!
:thrusts hips:
Can you feel that, huh, huh, huh!!!!