Just try to be more forgiving and compassionate Nick. Don’t you feel bad for all the people who suffer from polluted air and water just so you can live in the lap of luxury?
to some extent haven’t cars already become better for the environment? compared to 20-30 years ago? cars are used with a lighter material thus necessitating less gas (you just stand less of a chance in a head on collission). and don’t they make them now so they emit toxins into the air? aren’t we already heading in the right direction to some extent?
I personally don’t have a problem with SUV’s and trucks…i laugh quite hardily when i see one person riding around in one, but i don’t begrudge them. it’s their choice. i’m only one person so don’t see the point in having one, but who knows, that could change in 10 years.
but i will say this in response to people who keep saying, “how else am i to cart around my kids, my home depot crap, blah blah blah…” you cart it around the same way people did before SUV’s became all the rage….it’s kind of like cell phones…people were able to exist without them….but we’ve grown accustomed to that lifestyle.
but hey, if you can afford it and that’s what you prefer, more power to you! (and I mean that.)
why is it that this site always deteriorates to name calling and gets way off subject. I would hope that since this is an Insurance Journal site that the people who post could be above the name calling and mean spirited postings.
But I don’t think it’s just the Insurance Journal. I do a lot of work online and I see it everywhere. Maybe it’s an aspect of mob mentality and the fact that people can hide behind electronic anonymity?
Actually… even in my office, some have stooped to a junior high level of behavoir a time or two.
It has long puzzled me why a select few can’t just grow up. But I’ve given up on trying to figure it out.
Best to ignore them.
If you really look around, there are a lot of intelligent points raised and clearly the majority of people here are bright, professional and able to debate a topic without acting like children.
Yeah, we’ve got a couple of bad apples, but so what? If anything, we need them for cheap entertainment. Hee hee!
well, last I checked life expectancy in the united states was going up. Social security is becoming an increasing burden because people are living longer and not dying, as was originally expected. Even if clean air, clean water, and destroying the environment were a big problem, it is not the responsibility of the United States to go above and beyond to make up for other countries that don’t care. True concern for the environment embraces things that make sense all the way around. False or misguided concern embraces anything that leads to bigger government/nanny state, and rejects anything that makes sense.
Just my opinion.
Luxury is in the eye of the beholder, or the person who must pay for it. I love people and no one want’s dirty air or water. Pollution in our society is a complex issue and not driven by what kind of car you or I drive. If anything can come from this debate, I hope it is that freedom is something to be cherished and protected. Communist states put people into little boxes to live a life of sameness with few choices to see. Let us not allow our country to become such a state.
Maud! You are well behind the times with regard to petrol engines. Modern petrol engines are extremely clean – hardly producing any smog creating exhaust, neither do they produce much in the way of carcinogenic carbon particulates. On the other hand, Diesel fueled vehicles (even with catalysts and soot collectors) are responsible for most vehicular smog and air pollution. Petrol’s (or Gas as it’s referred to in the States)only “crime” is to produce more CO2, a totally harmless constituant of air.
In Europe (and now increasingly in the USA) our cities have worsening air quality because of the unproven link between man-made CO2 and Global warming, leading to the increased use of lower CO2 emission fuels whilst ignoring all other pollutants. As for the Prius; several studies by well respected scientists have shown that it is responsible for more CO2 production during it’s manufacturing, life and recycling than an SUV such as a Jeep Cherokee or a Range Rover (assuming all are driven for an average 10,000 miles per annum).
Now the Green Lobby want us to use Biofuels. They should ask themselves why food prices are rising and why Rain Forests are being cut down to make way for Palm Oil production. Many of these people are guilty of not bothering to think things through and, as a result, often make matters worse. Perhaps, this is because many of them have the fervour of religious fanatics where a request for justification of their views is tantamount to blasphemy.
You are so right about the Element being butt ugly. And how they came up with the colors for them God only knows.
I drive a VW Beetle and the cost of insurance and miles per gallon is very good. Cost of fuel however has me very ticked off, now at $3.11 a gallon for regular unleaded where I live. But, I can still drive for a week on $40.00. A pick up or SUV is double that to fill a tank.
As for the electric cars, we had an insured that had one and the thing caught on fire in the garage while it was charging and the house burned to the ground. Million dollar loss to house and obviously a total loss for the car.
Ok, Roger, then why in huge cities like LosAngelos do we have smog alerts and terrible pollution? Is it because everyone in LA only drives 20 year old cars? Your theory is prepostorous!
Also, it is about QUALITY OF LIFE. Kids shouldnt have to go inside because of a smog alert. And regardless of how long you live, dirty air is a bad thing.
And as far as other countries, im not sure what fool came up with that, but smog in LA is caused by cars in LA, period.
So Roger, please go back home and save the queen, why would I listen to someone who still bows down to a Queen??
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Nickoluas, eloquently stated and right on target. I’m impressed. I’m afraid I might have told rude Maud to go …
Just try to be more forgiving and compassionate Nick. Don’t you feel bad for all the people who suffer from polluted air and water just so you can live in the lap of luxury?
If i am wrong, i will accept that.
to some extent haven’t cars already become better for the environment? compared to 20-30 years ago? cars are used with a lighter material thus necessitating less gas (you just stand less of a chance in a head on collission). and don’t they make them now so they emit toxins into the air? aren’t we already heading in the right direction to some extent?
I personally don’t have a problem with SUV’s and trucks…i laugh quite hardily when i see one person riding around in one, but i don’t begrudge them. it’s their choice. i’m only one person so don’t see the point in having one, but who knows, that could change in 10 years.
but i will say this in response to people who keep saying, “how else am i to cart around my kids, my home depot crap, blah blah blah…” you cart it around the same way people did before SUV’s became all the rage….it’s kind of like cell phones…people were able to exist without them….but we’ve grown accustomed to that lifestyle.
but hey, if you can afford it and that’s what you prefer, more power to you! (and I mean that.)
why is it that this site always deteriorates to name calling and gets way off subject. I would hope that since this is an Insurance Journal site that the people who post could be above the name calling and mean spirited postings.
But I don’t think it’s just the Insurance Journal. I do a lot of work online and I see it everywhere. Maybe it’s an aspect of mob mentality and the fact that people can hide behind electronic anonymity?
Actually… even in my office, some have stooped to a junior high level of behavoir a time or two.
It has long puzzled me why a select few can’t just grow up. But I’ve given up on trying to figure it out.
Best to ignore them.
If you really look around, there are a lot of intelligent points raised and clearly the majority of people here are bright, professional and able to debate a topic without acting like children.
Yeah, we’ve got a couple of bad apples, but so what? If anything, we need them for cheap entertainment. Hee hee!
well, last I checked life expectancy in the united states was going up. Social security is becoming an increasing burden because people are living longer and not dying, as was originally expected. Even if clean air, clean water, and destroying the environment were a big problem, it is not the responsibility of the United States to go above and beyond to make up for other countries that don’t care. True concern for the environment embraces things that make sense all the way around. False or misguided concern embraces anything that leads to bigger government/nanny state, and rejects anything that makes sense.
Just my opinion.
Luxury is in the eye of the beholder, or the person who must pay for it. I love people and no one want’s dirty air or water. Pollution in our society is a complex issue and not driven by what kind of car you or I drive. If anything can come from this debate, I hope it is that freedom is something to be cherished and protected. Communist states put people into little boxes to live a life of sameness with few choices to see. Let us not allow our country to become such a state.
Maud! You are well behind the times with regard to petrol engines. Modern petrol engines are extremely clean – hardly producing any smog creating exhaust, neither do they produce much in the way of carcinogenic carbon particulates. On the other hand, Diesel fueled vehicles (even with catalysts and soot collectors) are responsible for most vehicular smog and air pollution. Petrol’s (or Gas as it’s referred to in the States)only “crime” is to produce more CO2, a totally harmless constituant of air.
In Europe (and now increasingly in the USA) our cities have worsening air quality because of the unproven link between man-made CO2 and Global warming, leading to the increased use of lower CO2 emission fuels whilst ignoring all other pollutants. As for the Prius; several studies by well respected scientists have shown that it is responsible for more CO2 production during it’s manufacturing, life and recycling than an SUV such as a Jeep Cherokee or a Range Rover (assuming all are driven for an average 10,000 miles per annum).
Now the Green Lobby want us to use Biofuels. They should ask themselves why food prices are rising and why Rain Forests are being cut down to make way for Palm Oil production. Many of these people are guilty of not bothering to think things through and, as a result, often make matters worse. Perhaps, this is because many of them have the fervour of religious fanatics where a request for justification of their views is tantamount to blasphemy.
Case closed.
You are so right about the Element being butt ugly. And how they came up with the colors for them God only knows.
I drive a VW Beetle and the cost of insurance and miles per gallon is very good. Cost of fuel however has me very ticked off, now at $3.11 a gallon for regular unleaded where I live. But, I can still drive for a week on $40.00. A pick up or SUV is double that to fill a tank.
As for the electric cars, we had an insured that had one and the thing caught on fire in the garage while it was charging and the house burned to the ground. Million dollar loss to house and obviously a total loss for the car.
Ok, Roger, then why in huge cities like LosAngelos do we have smog alerts and terrible pollution? Is it because everyone in LA only drives 20 year old cars? Your theory is prepostorous!
Also, it is about QUALITY OF LIFE. Kids shouldnt have to go inside because of a smog alert. And regardless of how long you live, dirty air is a bad thing.
And as far as other countries, im not sure what fool came up with that, but smog in LA is caused by cars in LA, period.
So Roger, please go back home and save the queen, why would I listen to someone who still bows down to a Queen??