I like to add to Al’s comments. My definition of Allah is god the Only One for all. So that is why I said just. He should not be blamed. however on the talk of God I would like to recommend the Conversation With God Parts 1,2 & 3 and Final Revelations by Neale Donald Walsch
My comments were don’t use the name of God to take away a person’s inheritance. If God was asked he would say give evrything to the mother as she is also one of my children.
Yes, many peoples today tens to forget where they come from. Do they study how human beings develop and its history? There are four group types of common belives; One God, Many Gods, No Gods and Free Thinker.
Human begins with no religions. The on going evolution and development of human period, living together in community begins. The culture among each comunity soon develop to perform daily lifes and protect each comunity from being attack. The living at that times are feared with cruelty of the power. Religion then exists in many forms. The basic teaching of religions are good. That’s attract the followers. What had happen is the people had made used of it to cheat and empowered oneself or group for wealth. Do you think today with the technologies, food production, and facilities peoples still stuffing with food even in rich nation?
The one god religion, said god created human beings thru Adam and Eve (adam dan hawa). Therefore humans today are the heirs of Adam and Eve. Do they have to kill each other? Is that the teaching of religion? What is Adam and Eve religion then? What we can see clearly that what ever happened today is the greedines of oneself community trying to misinterprate the teaching of religions for its benefic.
The proverbs famous in malays:”syurga di tapak ibu” is not relavent here. The mother is an Hindu and the son a muslim. The son is not with the mother’s, can he go to syurga then? Did the son gets the permission or inform his mother before he embrace islam? Did anybody from the religious affair inform or discuss the concequences throughly with the family(parents) involve before a convert is done?
The lack of religious fairness to all mankind had made a move to the formation of common law, which is practice round the world. Common law are for all regards of religion, it treats everybody the same. Not like the religious law, weigthing one sided. Which is better common law or religious law? Do you think god made these law? Each religious believer will say their religion are the best in providing law and order. Is that so? Why there are so many types of religion? Who preaches it? When these religions form and why? Is the religion rules secure to mankind? Is a religion so frigthen that it would not exists in the world with its good teaching? What do you think? A good religion is the one who protects and treats all mankind the same.
The world is burdened with people who do not have the intelligence to solve the on going problems like intense summer heat so for convenience sake they called it manmade global warming and it is now the gospel of an average joe, when asked how did men messed up? They’ve no answer, only the mantra. Global warming.
How did God mess up big time now? Not talking about the Malaysian ruling muslim scam artists, that’s pidgeon ****. We’re seeing Global hatred, discontendment, lack of friendliness. This hatred contributed more to global warming then the green house gases.
We’ve to free this hating mentality but no leader has step forward. God has nothing to do with our problems, we’ve to free ourselves from hate and nobody can do that for us. Therefore god is another product we bought at a convenient store.
Al, please take your bigotry elsewhere. The problem is not with Islam or the Koran – the problem is with the law of the country. They should honor the contract, pay the mother the money, and get on with life.
I’m not a bigot, you’re an ignoramus. By that I do not mean to insult you, only to state a fact – you are ignorant of Islam in general, and its effects on Malaysia in particular.
The Koran mandates that non-Muslims be killed if they refuse to convert or pay the “jizya,” a tax on non-Muslims.
Koran 9:29 says, “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Books (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Al, the problem is still not with the Koran, it’s with the laws of the country. These are two completely different things. Were Malaysia a theocracy, such as Iran, I would agree with you, but they are not. The problem with this case is that secular law was skewed to favor a certain religious group. Were the large populations of Hindus and Christians in that area to ever decide to stand up for themselves and change their laws you wouldn’t see these sorts of things.
And do not assume others’ ignorance, lest you reveal your own. I too have read the Koran. It has the same crud in it as the Bible – kill the infidel, convert the infidel, treat people fairly, honor God. There’s really not that much difference in the Abrahamic religions when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it all. The major differences lie in the concept of “salvation” and how to get a good afterlife. Islam makes you work for it; Judaism (depending on which part of the Torah you decide to follow) either doesn’t care about the afterlife or makes you work for it; and Christianity gives it away.
question are the (….) truly listed in the writings of the KORAN or are they a translation based on someone’s ideas that is what is meant…because if it is that, then we might have to undergo a theological seminar…because in actualilty, we can each claim that the truth lies in our own hearts and religion. what is to say (in the words of the koran) whose truth is correct? now, in the questions of allah, does that not mean GOD? so whose god? does my one god in christianity different than yours? or do we actually percieve the same god, but just differently? because we worship different than you makes us wrong to worship our god? afterall, we worship only just a different way.
so killing one another is not a solution! afterall, is that not the same as murder and is not murder a criminal offense. taxing: why should we treat other differently? afterall, we all get the same amount of money from the employer? we all pay taxes to the federal government. so why should i pay more or less because i believe a little differntly than you. this is the problem with society, we try to say one is better than the other if not, we are going to destroy you. well, if you look at the situation in iraq, why are the insurgents so willing to kill their own kind or culture. because if you kill it all, they can’t reproduce or continue on with that culture/religion. a contract is a legal binding document and in reality, it does not state anywhere in the contract that she is not eligible for the money – all 100%. so lets leave religion out of it! lets put a moral value – son gave to his mother, afterall, how much did she give to him? probably more than what he’s giving back.
Where does the Bible say “Kill the infidel”? This might make it easier for you to search it out: http://www.biblegateway.com. I can save you the trouble though: nowhere. So do not assume others’ bigotry, lest you reveal your own.
Malaysia is becoming an Islamic theocracy. That’s where they got this stupid ruling – Sharia law. Why else would such a prejudiced ruling be handed down?
“so lets leave religion out of it! lets put a moral value – son gave to his mother, afterall, how much did she give to him? probably more than what he’s giving back.”
Let’s talk about how fish swim without mentioning water.
To address your comment Al I must first know what you call the Bible. I say this because many Christ-followers forget that the Torah is generally accepted as part of the Bible (that would be the Old Testament). If you only claim the New Testament, then no, it does not call for killing non-believers. If you follow the entire Bible then try reading what happened to the land of Canaan once the Jews were finally allowed to stop wandering after escaping Egypt. Pretty brutal stuff.
I admit – I find no truck with religion. Any of it. If you want to believe in a higher being, a greater power, a god, goddess, a pantheon – that’s fine with me. I just don’t want any decisions about my life based on anybody else’s fantasies. I also feel that nobody else’s life should be affected by others’ religious beliefs. There are some things I do believe the majority of mankind can agree upon that are not based in religion: don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t intentionally inflict harm upon another, honor your contracts. Even the most secular of societies could agree upon those precepts and they are not based upon religion. If your argument for a law, policy, procedure, or anything else that affects my life, is based in any part on religion the whole thing should be tossed.
Islam is not the great Satan. It is not an evil religion. Islam is, in fact, the first religion to officially address divorce and property rights for women. The Koran lays out alimony, inheritance rights and other rights for women that are not addressed in other religions. If you want an all-encompassing religion you can’t really go wrong with Islam, since everything from contract law, to marriage, divorce, taxes and loans is spelled out in the Koran. Islam was also the driving factor behind many of the greatest advancements of mankind – navigation, mathematics, science, philosophy. Many followers of Islam consider themselves both freed and protected by their religion and don’t feel the need to kill anybody else.
And just because Malaysia is currently ruled by religious nut-jobs does not make it a theocracy. A theocracy is defined by being ruled by a specific relgious class – not just zealous followers of a religion. If there are no holy-men involved it is not a theocracy. What they have is a messed-up system that needs to be fixed so it addresses the needs of all citizens. That’s something the populace should see to soon, lest they find it to be too late.
And not that a theocracy is all bad either. If one truly wants to live under the law as laid out in their holy books and by their holy-men you can’t get better than a theocracy. I just don’t want any part of one.
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I like to add to Al’s comments. My definition of Allah is god the Only One for all. So that is why I said just. He should not be blamed. however on the talk of God I would like to recommend the Conversation With God Parts 1,2 & 3 and Final Revelations by Neale Donald Walsch
My comments were don’t use the name of God to take away a person’s inheritance. If God was asked he would say give evrything to the mother as she is also one of my children.
Yes, many peoples today tens to forget where they come from. Do they study how human beings develop and its history? There are four group types of common belives; One God, Many Gods, No Gods and Free Thinker.
Human begins with no religions. The on going evolution and development of human period, living together in community begins. The culture among each comunity soon develop to perform daily lifes and protect each comunity from being attack. The living at that times are feared with cruelty of the power. Religion then exists in many forms. The basic teaching of religions are good. That’s attract the followers. What had happen is the people had made used of it to cheat and empowered oneself or group for wealth. Do you think today with the technologies, food production, and facilities peoples still stuffing with food even in rich nation?
The one god religion, said god created human beings thru Adam and Eve (adam dan hawa). Therefore humans today are the heirs of Adam and Eve. Do they have to kill each other? Is that the teaching of religion? What is Adam and Eve religion then? What we can see clearly that what ever happened today is the greedines of oneself community trying to misinterprate the teaching of religions for its benefic.
The proverbs famous in malays:”syurga di tapak ibu” is not relavent here. The mother is an Hindu and the son a muslim. The son is not with the mother’s, can he go to syurga then? Did the son gets the permission or inform his mother before he embrace islam? Did anybody from the religious affair inform or discuss the concequences throughly with the family(parents) involve before a convert is done?
The lack of religious fairness to all mankind had made a move to the formation of common law, which is practice round the world. Common law are for all regards of religion, it treats everybody the same. Not like the religious law, weigthing one sided. Which is better common law or religious law? Do you think god made these law? Each religious believer will say their religion are the best in providing law and order. Is that so? Why there are so many types of religion? Who preaches it? When these religions form and why? Is the religion rules secure to mankind? Is a religion so frigthen that it would not exists in the world with its good teaching? What do you think? A good religion is the one who protects and treats all mankind the same.
The world is burdened with people who do not have the intelligence to solve the on going problems like intense summer heat so for convenience sake they called it manmade global warming and it is now the gospel of an average joe, when asked how did men messed up? They’ve no answer, only the mantra. Global warming.
How did God mess up big time now? Not talking about the Malaysian ruling muslim scam artists, that’s pidgeon ****. We’re seeing Global hatred, discontendment, lack of friendliness. This hatred contributed more to global warming then the green house gases.
We’ve to free this hating mentality but no leader has step forward. God has nothing to do with our problems, we’ve to free ourselves from hate and nobody can do that for us. Therefore god is another product we bought at a convenient store.
Al, please take your bigotry elsewhere. The problem is not with Islam or the Koran – the problem is with the law of the country. They should honor the contract, pay the mother the money, and get on with life.
I’m not a bigot, you’re an ignoramus. By that I do not mean to insult you, only to state a fact – you are ignorant of Islam in general, and its effects on Malaysia in particular.
The Koran mandates that non-Muslims be killed if they refuse to convert or pay the “jizya,” a tax on non-Muslims.
Koran 9:29 says, “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Books (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Infidels to be tattoed in Malaysia? (scroll down below the headlines)
http://www.malaysia-today.net/2008/content/view/2102/46/
M’sian Islamic party still wants stonings
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Asia/STIStory_197259.html
Al, the problem is still not with the Koran, it’s with the laws of the country. These are two completely different things. Were Malaysia a theocracy, such as Iran, I would agree with you, but they are not. The problem with this case is that secular law was skewed to favor a certain religious group. Were the large populations of Hindus and Christians in that area to ever decide to stand up for themselves and change their laws you wouldn’t see these sorts of things.
And do not assume others’ ignorance, lest you reveal your own. I too have read the Koran. It has the same crud in it as the Bible – kill the infidel, convert the infidel, treat people fairly, honor God. There’s really not that much difference in the Abrahamic religions when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it all. The major differences lie in the concept of “salvation” and how to get a good afterlife. Islam makes you work for it; Judaism (depending on which part of the Torah you decide to follow) either doesn’t care about the afterlife or makes you work for it; and Christianity gives it away.
question are the (….) truly listed in the writings of the KORAN or are they a translation based on someone’s ideas that is what is meant…because if it is that, then we might have to undergo a theological seminar…because in actualilty, we can each claim that the truth lies in our own hearts and religion. what is to say (in the words of the koran) whose truth is correct? now, in the questions of allah, does that not mean GOD? so whose god? does my one god in christianity different than yours? or do we actually percieve the same god, but just differently? because we worship different than you makes us wrong to worship our god? afterall, we worship only just a different way.
so killing one another is not a solution! afterall, is that not the same as murder and is not murder a criminal offense. taxing: why should we treat other differently? afterall, we all get the same amount of money from the employer? we all pay taxes to the federal government. so why should i pay more or less because i believe a little differntly than you. this is the problem with society, we try to say one is better than the other if not, we are going to destroy you. well, if you look at the situation in iraq, why are the insurgents so willing to kill their own kind or culture. because if you kill it all, they can’t reproduce or continue on with that culture/religion. a contract is a legal binding document and in reality, it does not state anywhere in the contract that she is not eligible for the money – all 100%. so lets leave religion out of it! lets put a moral value – son gave to his mother, afterall, how much did she give to him? probably more than what he’s giving back.
Where does the Bible say “Kill the infidel”? This might make it easier for you to search it out: http://www.biblegateway.com. I can save you the trouble though: nowhere. So do not assume others’ bigotry, lest you reveal your own.
Malaysia is becoming an Islamic theocracy. That’s where they got this stupid ruling – Sharia law. Why else would such a prejudiced ruling be handed down?
Church group slams Malaysian airport officials for confiscating Bibles
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/04/asia/AS-GEN-Malaysia-Religious-Rights.php
“so lets leave religion out of it! lets put a moral value – son gave to his mother, afterall, how much did she give to him? probably more than what he’s giving back.”
Let’s talk about how fish swim without mentioning water.
To address your comment Al I must first know what you call the Bible. I say this because many Christ-followers forget that the Torah is generally accepted as part of the Bible (that would be the Old Testament). If you only claim the New Testament, then no, it does not call for killing non-believers. If you follow the entire Bible then try reading what happened to the land of Canaan once the Jews were finally allowed to stop wandering after escaping Egypt. Pretty brutal stuff.
I admit – I find no truck with religion. Any of it. If you want to believe in a higher being, a greater power, a god, goddess, a pantheon – that’s fine with me. I just don’t want any decisions about my life based on anybody else’s fantasies. I also feel that nobody else’s life should be affected by others’ religious beliefs. There are some things I do believe the majority of mankind can agree upon that are not based in religion: don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t intentionally inflict harm upon another, honor your contracts. Even the most secular of societies could agree upon those precepts and they are not based upon religion. If your argument for a law, policy, procedure, or anything else that affects my life, is based in any part on religion the whole thing should be tossed.
Islam is not the great Satan. It is not an evil religion. Islam is, in fact, the first religion to officially address divorce and property rights for women. The Koran lays out alimony, inheritance rights and other rights for women that are not addressed in other religions. If you want an all-encompassing religion you can’t really go wrong with Islam, since everything from contract law, to marriage, divorce, taxes and loans is spelled out in the Koran. Islam was also the driving factor behind many of the greatest advancements of mankind – navigation, mathematics, science, philosophy. Many followers of Islam consider themselves both freed and protected by their religion and don’t feel the need to kill anybody else.
And just because Malaysia is currently ruled by religious nut-jobs does not make it a theocracy. A theocracy is defined by being ruled by a specific relgious class – not just zealous followers of a religion. If there are no holy-men involved it is not a theocracy. What they have is a messed-up system that needs to be fixed so it addresses the needs of all citizens. That’s something the populace should see to soon, lest they find it to be too late.
And not that a theocracy is all bad either. If one truly wants to live under the law as laid out in their holy books and by their holy-men you can’t get better than a theocracy. I just don’t want any part of one.