Those statistics are from a study I have seen where scientists have set up a controlled environment in which people were given measured drinks and then asked to perform an obstacle coarse with a car.
The source does not come from mis-heard comments in a bar.
OK so all you who stand up for madd please contact your congressman and women to ban cell phone use – a recent study done (I think reported in New England Journel of Medicine showed cell phoone usage while driving even with hands free is the equivalent of a .14 BAC we are not talking .08 here folks .14!
He had just had a beer after work with some friends. The officer asked him if he had been drinking and my friend said yes, one beer. Officer did not test my friend, just arrested him and booked him overnight for his own safety.
To all of you complaining that .08 is too low of a level to impair your driving-
Alright, fair enough. If your driving is indeed unimpaired and you are driving within the parameters of the law and have obeyed all other laws (tabs etc), then you will not get pulled over. End of story. If you really are unimpaired, then you will arrive home just fine. If you do get pulled over, it\’s probably because you were breaking the law! Your friend was going 42 in a 25. That\’s speeding. Regardless of whether he had had one beer or twelve beers, he was driving well over the speed limit and should have been pulled over.
Don\’t know what the laws are in other states but in my state one cure for a police officer searching your car is simply to lock your vehicle if asked to step out. The officer would then have to get a warrant if you refused the search. I also have never had more that a couple parking tickets in my life time and don\’t have anything to hide. It is just the principal of the whole thing. As for the friend being booked for his safety–that\’s precisely the over reaction on the part of someone in uniform that I\’m concerned about. If I were that person, I would find it humilating and terrifying to spend even one night in the slammer even \”for my own protection\”. Plus, the friend could have lied and didn\’t about the one beer but was still rounded up. I say issue a speeding ticket and let him/her go on their merry way if there is no alcohol violation. Last I heard this was still a free country and I don\’t want someone invading my space–whether it\’s my house or my vehicle. I don\’t need to have any suspicious reasons for this request. We have dwindling levels of privacy and what we have left needs to be protected.
Actually C.S. Lewis was quite a theologian… this is an interesting quote:
\”Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron\’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.\” — C. S. Lewis
Not sure this idea applies to the truly evil-intended-act of operating a lethal machine while impaired – there is no room in civil minded society for such selfishness – but it does provide a provocative view of the so call \”good intended\” legislation governing our highways
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Those statistics are from a study I have seen where scientists have set up a controlled environment in which people were given measured drinks and then asked to perform an obstacle coarse with a car.
The source does not come from mis-heard comments in a bar.
OK so all you who stand up for madd please contact your congressman and women to ban cell phone use – a recent study done (I think reported in New England Journel of Medicine showed cell phoone usage while driving even with hands free is the equivalent of a .14 BAC we are not talking .08 here folks .14!
got pulled over for speeding, 42 in a 25 mph.
He had just had a beer after work with some friends. The officer asked him if he had been drinking and my friend said yes, one beer. Officer did not test my friend, just arrested him and booked him overnight for his own safety.
Are you serious? No ticket? Why didn\’t he just bring him home then?
To all of you complaining that .08 is too low of a level to impair your driving-
Alright, fair enough. If your driving is indeed unimpaired and you are driving within the parameters of the law and have obeyed all other laws (tabs etc), then you will not get pulled over. End of story. If you really are unimpaired, then you will arrive home just fine. If you do get pulled over, it\’s probably because you were breaking the law! Your friend was going 42 in a 25. That\’s speeding. Regardless of whether he had had one beer or twelve beers, he was driving well over the speed limit and should have been pulled over.
Don\’t know what the laws are in other states but in my state one cure for a police officer searching your car is simply to lock your vehicle if asked to step out. The officer would then have to get a warrant if you refused the search. I also have never had more that a couple parking tickets in my life time and don\’t have anything to hide. It is just the principal of the whole thing. As for the friend being booked for his safety–that\’s precisely the over reaction on the part of someone in uniform that I\’m concerned about. If I were that person, I would find it humilating and terrifying to spend even one night in the slammer even \”for my own protection\”. Plus, the friend could have lied and didn\’t about the one beer but was still rounded up. I say issue a speeding ticket and let him/her go on their merry way if there is no alcohol violation. Last I heard this was still a free country and I don\’t want someone invading my space–whether it\’s my house or my vehicle. I don\’t need to have any suspicious reasons for this request. We have dwindling levels of privacy and what we have left needs to be protected.
People who are willing to give-up liberty for safety are undeserving of both liberty and safety.
The Constitution was drafted to protect this country from its government.
Amen.
Actually C.S. Lewis was quite a theologian… this is an interesting quote:
\”Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron\’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.\” — C. S. Lewis
Not sure this idea applies to the truly evil-intended-act of operating a lethal machine while impaired – there is no room in civil minded society for such selfishness – but it does provide a provocative view of the so call \”good intended\” legislation governing our highways