Whether or not the tests are inaccurate (at close to .08) or not, 10,000 convictions does not bode well for gettmadd now does it? I\’m pretty sure a police officer has probable cause when they pull someone over…the test is just the icing on the cake!
Let\’s be honest here. Now, I have never been pulled over for driving impaired, but must say that .08 is a little low. You can have two beers over an hour in a bar with good friends, and still blow over the .08 limit. Now, I can\’t speak for everyone, but I must say that I know plenty of people that can spend 2 hours and have 3 beers and be just fine behind the wheel. Now I am not proposing that I support drunk driving, because I don\’t. It would be a tradgedy for someone to be killed by a drunk driver, but I think that we all agree that most people are not drunk after 2 beers.
And furthermore, as far as the minor inconveniece of being searched…it\’s the principal, and that is why it\’s in the constitution. Give away your rights and freedoms if you like, but I happen to charish mine, and that is why I would like to think I am proud to be an American!
TPG should look at a few of the essays that our Founding Father\’s penned. In any case, I do not subscribe to all that gettmadd.com pontificates but neither do I blindly follow nor believe that our government is an end all. Obviously there is a fair amount of evidence that debunks the accuracy of many blood alcohol-measuring devises. This is really about zero tolerance; I mean .08 blood alcohol level is quite minimal. Right or wrong, the true desire of New Jersey and other states is to completely eliminate any alcohol consumption while driving. I do not believe the status of these 10,000 convictions will change.
I agree with you. .08 is low, but I would rather it be too low than just a bit higher and allow for a \”buzzed\” person to get behind the wheel and for a cop to have to say, \”oh, well, you only blew a .12 and the legal limit is .15, so I\’m going to let you go.\” Like Adirondacker said, they want the low limits, essentially a zero tolerance. And, again, I am not in agreement with random, unwarranted searches…but if I\’m weaving back and forth at 1:30 in the morning, I probably should be pulled over, if not for the public\’s safety, then for my own…maybe I\’m just tired and behind the wheel, but I wouldn\’t get mad at the officer-I deserved to be checked out.
Your point is conceded about being pulled over for weaving back and forth, however I am sure people are pulled over for things unrelated to obvious indications of driving impaired and durring the ordeal, are arrested for DUI for having a .11 level because the officer smelled beer on their breath, or even one up, had one of those alcohol smelling flashlights like they have in my County. I am just saying that DUI should be measured by the indication of how someone is driving, not what a machine says on how much you have had to drink. Obviously, if someone is driving and cannot control their vehicle because they have had too much to drink, put them in jail. I would say most drunk driving fatalities do not represent anywhere near the .08 levels.
I have never gotten a DUI nor do I ever intend to. There have been several times when my husband and I have been out, had drinks, not to the point of being falling down drunk but not wanting to risk being pulled over for any reason and called a cab instead of taking any risk. If you can\’t afford a cab then call a friend and ask them to pick you up. The cost of a DUI arrest is not worth it to me.
I have drilled this into my kids, who are 19 and 20 and hope that by our example they will follow in our footsteps.
As for the search issue, if you have nothing to hide why get upset about it?
I suck at history so I can\’t quote the quote the Constitution or Declaration of independence, but I know I have a right to bear arms. Should I go out and protest the waiting period to purchase a gun becuause that infringes upon my rights to own a gun? Perhaps these laws are put in place to sometimes draw line. You can own a gun, but you just have to wait so people don\’t act rash and purchase guns when upset. You can have a few drinks, just don\’t get smashed and then get behind the wheel. I can\’t quote statistics, but do most fatal highway accidents occur at speeds in excess of 55? Does that mean we should raise the limit to 75, which would then give the green light for some to drive 95?
as far as the search issue, it kills me when people say that if you have nothing to hide then why be upset about it…do you think our founding fathers had something to hide when they put it in the constitution?
You guys are funny, complaining about a .08 DUI level. We have had that level in California for a number of years now, and STILL do not lead the country in DUI arrests. Go figure! As for giving away your rights, we aren\’t. ILLEGAL search & seizure is just that..Illegal! Allowing a police officer to search your vehicle when you have nothing to hide doesn\’t give anything away.
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Whether or not the tests are inaccurate (at close to .08) or not, 10,000 convictions does not bode well for gettmadd now does it? I\’m pretty sure a police officer has probable cause when they pull someone over…the test is just the icing on the cake!
You speak of over inflated statistics. I have no idea if they are or not. I do know 1 drunk driver on the road with my family is 1 too many.
Let\’s be honest here. Now, I have never been pulled over for driving impaired, but must say that .08 is a little low. You can have two beers over an hour in a bar with good friends, and still blow over the .08 limit. Now, I can\’t speak for everyone, but I must say that I know plenty of people that can spend 2 hours and have 3 beers and be just fine behind the wheel. Now I am not proposing that I support drunk driving, because I don\’t. It would be a tradgedy for someone to be killed by a drunk driver, but I think that we all agree that most people are not drunk after 2 beers.
And furthermore, as far as the minor inconveniece of being searched…it\’s the principal, and that is why it\’s in the constitution. Give away your rights and freedoms if you like, but I happen to charish mine, and that is why I would like to think I am proud to be an American!
TPG should look at a few of the essays that our Founding Father\’s penned. In any case, I do not subscribe to all that gettmadd.com pontificates but neither do I blindly follow nor believe that our government is an end all. Obviously there is a fair amount of evidence that debunks the accuracy of many blood alcohol-measuring devises. This is really about zero tolerance; I mean .08 blood alcohol level is quite minimal. Right or wrong, the true desire of New Jersey and other states is to completely eliminate any alcohol consumption while driving. I do not believe the status of these 10,000 convictions will change.
I agree with you. .08 is low, but I would rather it be too low than just a bit higher and allow for a \”buzzed\” person to get behind the wheel and for a cop to have to say, \”oh, well, you only blew a .12 and the legal limit is .15, so I\’m going to let you go.\” Like Adirondacker said, they want the low limits, essentially a zero tolerance. And, again, I am not in agreement with random, unwarranted searches…but if I\’m weaving back and forth at 1:30 in the morning, I probably should be pulled over, if not for the public\’s safety, then for my own…maybe I\’m just tired and behind the wheel, but I wouldn\’t get mad at the officer-I deserved to be checked out.
Your point is conceded about being pulled over for weaving back and forth, however I am sure people are pulled over for things unrelated to obvious indications of driving impaired and durring the ordeal, are arrested for DUI for having a .11 level because the officer smelled beer on their breath, or even one up, had one of those alcohol smelling flashlights like they have in my County. I am just saying that DUI should be measured by the indication of how someone is driving, not what a machine says on how much you have had to drink. Obviously, if someone is driving and cannot control their vehicle because they have had too much to drink, put them in jail. I would say most drunk driving fatalities do not represent anywhere near the .08 levels.
I have never gotten a DUI nor do I ever intend to. There have been several times when my husband and I have been out, had drinks, not to the point of being falling down drunk but not wanting to risk being pulled over for any reason and called a cab instead of taking any risk. If you can\’t afford a cab then call a friend and ask them to pick you up. The cost of a DUI arrest is not worth it to me.
I have drilled this into my kids, who are 19 and 20 and hope that by our example they will follow in our footsteps.
As for the search issue, if you have nothing to hide why get upset about it?
I suck at history so I can\’t quote the quote the Constitution or Declaration of independence, but I know I have a right to bear arms. Should I go out and protest the waiting period to purchase a gun becuause that infringes upon my rights to own a gun? Perhaps these laws are put in place to sometimes draw line. You can own a gun, but you just have to wait so people don\’t act rash and purchase guns when upset. You can have a few drinks, just don\’t get smashed and then get behind the wheel. I can\’t quote statistics, but do most fatal highway accidents occur at speeds in excess of 55? Does that mean we should raise the limit to 75, which would then give the green light for some to drive 95?
as far as the search issue, it kills me when people say that if you have nothing to hide then why be upset about it…do you think our founding fathers had something to hide when they put it in the constitution?
Keep giving away your freedoms…
You guys are funny, complaining about a .08 DUI level. We have had that level in California for a number of years now, and STILL do not lead the country in DUI arrests. Go figure! As for giving away your rights, we aren\’t. ILLEGAL search & seizure is just that..Illegal! Allowing a police officer to search your vehicle when you have nothing to hide doesn\’t give anything away.