As the first poster I started the debate because I thought it was ludicrous somebody sued this company for discriminating on one basis while completely ignoring the other discrimination going on.
There have been lawsuits successfully promulgated in this country based solely on the numerical percentages of races hired/fired by a given company.
The fact that this company has not hired 50% of it\’s workers as males is grounds for a lawsuit alone.
I\’m astonished that any ambulance chaser willing to take a case based on discrimination would take one with four plaintiffs and ignore one with thousands of plaintiffs.
I think we fundamentally agree on how ridiculous this society has become, but I\’m just blown away that somebody in this culture missed an opportunity to strike a blow for legally mandated mediocrity.
I love the comments regarding us being better off when men were the primary breadwinners and women stayed home. How much do you think it would cost western civilization to completely lose up to 1/2 it\’s collective brainpower by eliminating women from the workforce? It looks like the radical Islamic countries have done this for centuries – could this possibly explain why the west dominates the world and the Ottoman/Turkish/Islamic empires crumbled and they still live in the economic and cultural equivelant of the dark ages???
I love women – beautiful ones get my attention initially, but if they have no brains I quickly tire of them. Smart women stimulate my brain as well as my body, and I prefer them any day of the week. (And women are getting smarter every day as education and career opportunities become more and more available in the US – god I love this country!)
Look man, I\’ve read your responses, and I get what your saying, but just because a company does not have an equal share of employees based on the percentage of applicants (even though we don\’t even know that info), doesn\’t mean they have been discriminatory. You don\’t have the facts to make statements like that. We don\’t even have enough facts to figure out if the pregnant women that were fired, was discriminatory. In this country, if you discriminate against certain groups of people and get caught, you\’re in trouble. If the men that had worked there felt they had been discrimiated against, they have the legal recourse. Maybe that will happen, but we just don\’t know. You\’re little math equation proves nothing. Why aren\’t there more black NFL and NBA coaches? Why do I work in an office in the middle of the Southwest with a Latino staff of about 1%. Why did I work in an office in Detroit with no black employees. Are all of these situations discriminatory???? Who knows. The point was and is, YOU DON\’T HAVE THE INFO!
You don\’t think there was any discrimination going on in the three cases you present?
You haven\’t read any of the allegations about racism in the NFL? You think that there are an appropriate number of Black and Latino GMs and coaches?
What possible job environment in the Southwest could fail to attract more than 1% of hispanic applicants? Did you work at a white supremacist organization?
I\’ve lived in Royal Oak and worked in Bloomfield Hills. You had zero black employees? Again… was it a supremacist organization?
You consider these examples to be valid arguments refuting my assertion?
Buddy, if anything, you\’ve just proven it.
Unless, of course, you can give a valid explanation as to how there can be such a mind boggling disparity between the numbers of employed minorities and the hiring environment. An explanation that doesn\’t involve discrimination, that is.
The explanation as to how not a single black person could qualify to hold a position at a company located in SE Michigan better be pretty riveting.
Although, I am aware that there is a difference between a firm with 30 employees located in one city and 5000 employees located across several states.
I can see how a specialized firm with 15 employees could fail to fill… say… 50% of it\’s position with women.
That argument doesn\’t hold true when you look at 5000 employees and the many-thousands of hiring decisions necessary to generate that 90/10 ratio.
So please explain why the NFL is dominated by black players – is it hatred of white players by all of those white coaches? What about the fact tht there are no Korean coaches in the NHL? Why not cry about there being no Inuit coaches in the NBA?
The reason that the NBA and NFL are dominated by black players is because there are apparently more and better black athletes than white ones. In other words, it\’s merit-based. GASP!!!
Isn\’t that proof of —– discrimination!?!??! Oh my!!! So maybe if the faculty at MIT is mostly white and Asian, it\’s because of —— merit?!?!?!?!
No no no, when minorities are under-represented, it\’s evidence of racism, but when they are in over-abundance it\’s because of merit. So NFL owners know that they are discriminating against Eskimoes and Chinese and Polynesians and Hispanics in their coaching ranks, because being racist is more important to them than having good coaches, but they are colorblind when it comes to signing the best players. Is that it?
Let\’s try a merit-based society, where people succeed because they deserve to, and let the market sort things out. Wow, what a strange idea.
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Check and mate.
Wow.
As the first poster I started the debate because I thought it was ludicrous somebody sued this company for discriminating on one basis while completely ignoring the other discrimination going on.
There have been lawsuits successfully promulgated in this country based solely on the numerical percentages of races hired/fired by a given company.
The fact that this company has not hired 50% of it\’s workers as males is grounds for a lawsuit alone.
I\’m astonished that any ambulance chaser willing to take a case based on discrimination would take one with four plaintiffs and ignore one with thousands of plaintiffs.
I think we fundamentally agree on how ridiculous this society has become, but I\’m just blown away that somebody in this culture missed an opportunity to strike a blow for legally mandated mediocrity.
The one where I\’m defending my assertion that what is commonly recognized as discrimination in this country is happening at this company?
Or the post where I distance myself from the mouth-breating knuckle draggers?
Or the conversation over whether or not discrimination should be allowed?
I love the comments regarding us being better off when men were the primary breadwinners and women stayed home. How much do you think it would cost western civilization to completely lose up to 1/2 it\’s collective brainpower by eliminating women from the workforce? It looks like the radical Islamic countries have done this for centuries – could this possibly explain why the west dominates the world and the Ottoman/Turkish/Islamic empires crumbled and they still live in the economic and cultural equivelant of the dark ages???
I love women – beautiful ones get my attention initially, but if they have no brains I quickly tire of them. Smart women stimulate my brain as well as my body, and I prefer them any day of the week. (And women are getting smarter every day as education and career opportunities become more and more available in the US – god I love this country!)
Look man, I\’ve read your responses, and I get what your saying, but just because a company does not have an equal share of employees based on the percentage of applicants (even though we don\’t even know that info), doesn\’t mean they have been discriminatory. You don\’t have the facts to make statements like that. We don\’t even have enough facts to figure out if the pregnant women that were fired, was discriminatory. In this country, if you discriminate against certain groups of people and get caught, you\’re in trouble. If the men that had worked there felt they had been discrimiated against, they have the legal recourse. Maybe that will happen, but we just don\’t know. You\’re little math equation proves nothing. Why aren\’t there more black NFL and NBA coaches? Why do I work in an office in the middle of the Southwest with a Latino staff of about 1%. Why did I work in an office in Detroit with no black employees. Are all of these situations discriminatory???? Who knows. The point was and is, YOU DON\’T HAVE THE INFO!
UW,
You should take your own advice. I think I get what you mean.
You don\’t think there was any discrimination going on in the three cases you present?
You haven\’t read any of the allegations about racism in the NFL? You think that there are an appropriate number of Black and Latino GMs and coaches?
What possible job environment in the Southwest could fail to attract more than 1% of hispanic applicants? Did you work at a white supremacist organization?
I\’ve lived in Royal Oak and worked in Bloomfield Hills. You had zero black employees? Again… was it a supremacist organization?
You consider these examples to be valid arguments refuting my assertion?
Buddy, if anything, you\’ve just proven it.
Unless, of course, you can give a valid explanation as to how there can be such a mind boggling disparity between the numbers of employed minorities and the hiring environment. An explanation that doesn\’t involve discrimination, that is.
The explanation as to how not a single black person could qualify to hold a position at a company located in SE Michigan better be pretty riveting.
Although, I am aware that there is a difference between a firm with 30 employees located in one city and 5000 employees located across several states.
I can see how a specialized firm with 15 employees could fail to fill… say… 50% of it\’s position with women.
That argument doesn\’t hold true when you look at 5000 employees and the many-thousands of hiring decisions necessary to generate that 90/10 ratio.
I\’m all ears.
It does seem quite a stretch to accuse a company that has been convicted of discrimination of… discriminating.
That smoke is probably just dust, and not a fire.
So please explain why the NFL is dominated by black players – is it hatred of white players by all of those white coaches? What about the fact tht there are no Korean coaches in the NHL? Why not cry about there being no Inuit coaches in the NBA?
The reason that the NBA and NFL are dominated by black players is because there are apparently more and better black athletes than white ones. In other words, it\’s merit-based. GASP!!!
Isn\’t that proof of —– discrimination!?!??! Oh my!!! So maybe if the faculty at MIT is mostly white and Asian, it\’s because of —— merit?!?!?!?!
No no no, when minorities are under-represented, it\’s evidence of racism, but when they are in over-abundance it\’s because of merit. So NFL owners know that they are discriminating against Eskimoes and Chinese and Polynesians and Hispanics in their coaching ranks, because being racist is more important to them than having good coaches, but they are colorblind when it comes to signing the best players. Is that it?
Let\’s try a merit-based society, where people succeed because they deserve to, and let the market sort things out. Wow, what a strange idea.