Where were all the politicians and building experts BEFORE this tragedy? When it comes to public safety, it seems that it’s always reactive vs. proactive. The same thing happened just weeks earlier in NYC. Risk managers,equipment manufacturers, and contractors are paid to anticipate problems like this and PREVENT THEM. Why is the “first bite” always free? Not only are these people liable, they should face criminal negligence charges.
According to ASCE the rigger is responsible for the operation from the bowl of the hook downward and attaching the load to the hook. The stability of the load, requirement for tag lines, and load
pickup and set down procedures. Verifying the weight of the load and communicating it to the operator. Attaching the load using suitable rigging, and protecting the rigging from being cut or damaged. Positioning other rigging personnel as required. Signaling orb directing the movement of the load by communication with the operator. How many of these rigging accidents need to happen
before the INDUSTRY pulls their head out of the sand.Get used to seeing many more of these type of accidents, inexperience and lack of training is rampant above and below the hook.
There is no oversight for any of this work. When a hairstylist is required to have more training than a crane operator BUDDY we got a problem. If a pilot had the same training a crane operator has would you still fly or choose some other mode of transportation? It seems as though the resounding and underlying message of the media always includes how crane operator certification would have had an impact on the crane wreck at hand, complete hogwash.
Dread, its always reactive, after elected. Worse, gov. believes a test,certifying, licensing, all a solution. Would it have made a difference here. We dont know that. The operator COULD have followed procedure and accident still occurred. In America, we presume innocent until proven guilty. What if it was you.
The load fell So why are they trying to blame the crane operator The blame should go to the Riggers and supt. The crane operator did not rig the load up and if he is several hundred feet in the air how could he be at fault I could say a whole lot more but you have people making rules and don’t know a dam thing about cranes We are just seeing the tip of crane accident to come in the future. Professional crane operators have been saying this day sad day would come
I’m not assessing blame. I’m simply suggesting that the people entrusted with the responsibility to protect the public think PREVENTION, not a reactin to the obvious. I’m no engineer, but as I walk beneath these things in lower Manhattan I’ve often questioned what keeps them from tipping over? There aren’t a whole lot of things that can go wrong with a crane besides toppling over. I guess it’s pollyannish to think that some highly compensated, professional engineer would anticipate that risk and do something about it.
The lift industry has been trying to raise the bar and offer qualified persons working in and around cranes for years. NCCCO is a small step in the right direction. Certified riggers and accountability to those who choose not to use certified personnel will greatly reduce the accidents which have become commonplace in the news.
John
Subject raise the BAR
NCCCO is one of the problems as to why there are so many accidents with cranes I was all for it when they started out you had to have 4000 thousand hours then they went to 1000 hours then even lower standards Just past the written test and a small practical test which does not take many hours to learn. All they are teaching is how to pass a test then go out and learn on your own Then come back in five years and test again But the funny think about it The NCCCO testing does not even meet codes. So they have lowered the bar
Don,t blame the operator, blame the company which allows a nonexperianced operator in the seat. Where do you expect an operator to get the training…a union?
That will only happen if he has a relative there already. Tis is a huge problem, with no immediate solution.
Small step is right, but why let any Tom, Dick, or Harry in the seat without any hour requirement, you even get that when you get a learners permit to drive a car. A hairdresser has 1600 hours to wield a pair of scissors. If the airline industry had the same requirements a crane operator has for licensing imagine the amount of airplane wrecks we would have. Those two jobs have a similar amount of responsibility. With eleven years of certification in place and the crane accidents on the rise everywhere, clearly we have a problem. Raising the bar means raising the amount of training before someone is cut loose to go out and endanger the general public. As for rigger and signal person certification, NCCCO should focus on getting their own program ironed out before they move into another arena that they have no clue in.
The NCCCO is present after every accident with the same message that certification is a solve all apparently it is not since the accidents continue to occur at a frightening rate.
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Where were all the politicians and building experts BEFORE this tragedy? When it comes to public safety, it seems that it’s always reactive vs. proactive. The same thing happened just weeks earlier in NYC. Risk managers,equipment manufacturers, and contractors are paid to anticipate problems like this and PREVENT THEM. Why is the “first bite” always free? Not only are these people liable, they should face criminal negligence charges.
According to ASCE the rigger is responsible for the operation from the bowl of the hook downward and attaching the load to the hook. The stability of the load, requirement for tag lines, and load
pickup and set down procedures. Verifying the weight of the load and communicating it to the operator. Attaching the load using suitable rigging, and protecting the rigging from being cut or damaged. Positioning other rigging personnel as required. Signaling orb directing the movement of the load by communication with the operator. How many of these rigging accidents need to happen
before the INDUSTRY pulls their head out of the sand.Get used to seeing many more of these type of accidents, inexperience and lack of training is rampant above and below the hook.
There is no oversight for any of this work. When a hairstylist is required to have more training than a crane operator BUDDY we got a problem. If a pilot had the same training a crane operator has would you still fly or choose some other mode of transportation? It seems as though the resounding and underlying message of the media always includes how crane operator certification would have had an impact on the crane wreck at hand, complete hogwash.
Dread, its always reactive, after elected. Worse, gov. believes a test,certifying, licensing, all a solution. Would it have made a difference here. We dont know that. The operator COULD have followed procedure and accident still occurred. In America, we presume innocent until proven guilty. What if it was you.
The load fell So why are they trying to blame the crane operator The blame should go to the Riggers and supt. The crane operator did not rig the load up and if he is several hundred feet in the air how could he be at fault I could say a whole lot more but you have people making rules and don’t know a dam thing about cranes We are just seeing the tip of crane accident to come in the future. Professional crane operators have been saying this day sad day would come
George:
I’m not assessing blame. I’m simply suggesting that the people entrusted with the responsibility to protect the public think PREVENTION, not a reactin to the obvious. I’m no engineer, but as I walk beneath these things in lower Manhattan I’ve often questioned what keeps them from tipping over? There aren’t a whole lot of things that can go wrong with a crane besides toppling over. I guess it’s pollyannish to think that some highly compensated, professional engineer would anticipate that risk and do something about it.
The lift industry has been trying to raise the bar and offer qualified persons working in and around cranes for years. NCCCO is a small step in the right direction. Certified riggers and accountability to those who choose not to use certified personnel will greatly reduce the accidents which have become commonplace in the news.
John
Subject raise the BAR
NCCCO is one of the problems as to why there are so many accidents with cranes I was all for it when they started out you had to have 4000 thousand hours then they went to 1000 hours then even lower standards Just past the written test and a small practical test which does not take many hours to learn. All they are teaching is how to pass a test then go out and learn on your own Then come back in five years and test again But the funny think about it The NCCCO testing does not even meet codes. So they have lowered the bar
Don,t blame the operator, blame the company which allows a nonexperianced operator in the seat. Where do you expect an operator to get the training…a union?
That will only happen if he has a relative there already. Tis is a huge problem, with no immediate solution.
I said step in the right direction, not the cure. As far as it being the problem you are very mistaken. What codes do they not meet?
John,
Small step is right, but why let any Tom, Dick, or Harry in the seat without any hour requirement, you even get that when you get a learners permit to drive a car. A hairdresser has 1600 hours to wield a pair of scissors. If the airline industry had the same requirements a crane operator has for licensing imagine the amount of airplane wrecks we would have. Those two jobs have a similar amount of responsibility. With eleven years of certification in place and the crane accidents on the rise everywhere, clearly we have a problem. Raising the bar means raising the amount of training before someone is cut loose to go out and endanger the general public. As for rigger and signal person certification, NCCCO should focus on getting their own program ironed out before they move into another arena that they have no clue in.
The NCCCO is present after every accident with the same message that certification is a solve all apparently it is not since the accidents continue to occur at a frightening rate.