It will take time, but I really do believe that those dogs will eventually not be mainstream dogs anymore. The cost of ownership will become too great. It will be like smoking cigarettes. Once it was the accepted thing to do, then it was just tolerated, and in another 5-10 years the label “smoker” will be on par with wife beater, or drug user.
I don’t want to hijack this thread and turn it into a smoking discussion, I am just using the progression of society’s attitude about smoking as an example. I think society’s acceptance of Dobermans and Rotwielers will diminish to the point that they are no longer mainstream pets and will only exist as watchdogs or fighting dogs.
Yo, securethurow! Are you reading the same article? Nothing was said about mandatory insurance. The simple fix to use a rifle not a shotgun approach. If the exposure comes from the few breeds that cause the most damage, do something about them. Either ban them, or require their owners to post a bond with the state for $1,000,000.
This is exactly what needs to be done. Not quite everything is covered, but this is a great started. Most untrained aggressive dogs willing/wanting to bite belong to bad people. Those people allow their dog to be in a situation where they will bite or attack. Responsible dog owners have trained and socialized their dogs to not be aggressive with people, therefore this law will help crack down on the irresponsible pet owners that shouldn’t even be allowed to own an animal in the first place.
Incorrect. The breed “distinction” you’re referring to is called racism. I own a 6 month old in tact Doberman Pinscher. He is the most well-behaved and well-trained dog I ever owned. He is wonderful off the leash at the park and can play with Great Danes to Yorkies. He has never displayed any aggression whatsoever. There are a few dog breeds I have had problems with, though…one certain dog named Paco tried to attacked me in the face for no reason…this dog was a Chihuahua. Also, my other dog was attacked by a Toy Poodle. A dog I was babysitting was attacked by a pack of chocolate Labs.
Why don’t you take a look at the American Temperament Test Society’s website to see how terrible the small “friendly” breeds do. The Chihuahua has a passing rate of 71% while the Pit Bulls have a passing rate of 84%. Your wonderful example of a Beagle only passed with 79%. The Daschund has a passing rate of only 66%. Let the results do the rest of the talking. A lot of people like you immediately think that the big dogs are bad while the little one are sweet. False. If anything, the little ones cause more trouble because the majority of them are never properly trained. Just like the Pomeranian dog that attacked in the face and killed a newborn baby. I’ll leave you to ponder over that.
LH please learn how to read and comprehend then come back to this board. Many thanks. George was using a metaphor of sorts, I will try to break it down so a 3rd grader, I mean you, to understand. Use a rifle approach to this situation instead of a shotgun approach. This means instead of using a wide approach to the problem, narrow it down (rifle approach) and really target the problem. Duh!
Ashton I can not believe that you actually used the word racism with respect to dogs. The word racism/racist has officially jumped the shark and has absolutely no meaning anymore. For now on when I hear someone crying/alleging racism I will think of Peter crying “Wolf”, ie – complete bull.
I’m glad I was able to provide some humor for your workplace. I never said little cars cause little accidents though. A “little” car is still 1200 pounds of metal hurtling along at 60 miles per hour. That’s going to do a lot of damage to people and things.
However, just look at a tiny dogs mouth, it isn’t big enough or strong enough to be able to easily kill a person. Sure, it could kill an infant, and there are isolated cases of probably every breed doing something heinous, just as there are examples of the “bad” breeds that are lovable friendly dogs. BUT….we work in insurance where you look at large samples. Most of the really shocking cases of dog bite are from a few breeds. Is it fair to penalize the owners of those breeds ? Its as fair as charging more car insurance for a young male, a low credit score, or multiple violations.
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It will take time, but I really do believe that those dogs will eventually not be mainstream dogs anymore. The cost of ownership will become too great. It will be like smoking cigarettes. Once it was the accepted thing to do, then it was just tolerated, and in another 5-10 years the label “smoker” will be on par with wife beater, or drug user.
I don’t want to hijack this thread and turn it into a smoking discussion, I am just using the progression of society’s attitude about smoking as an example. I think society’s acceptance of Dobermans and Rotwielers will diminish to the point that they are no longer mainstream pets and will only exist as watchdogs or fighting dogs.
Yo, securethurow! Are you reading the same article? Nothing was said about mandatory insurance. The simple fix to use a rifle not a shotgun approach. If the exposure comes from the few breeds that cause the most damage, do something about them. Either ban them, or require their owners to post a bond with the state for $1,000,000.
This is exactly what needs to be done. Not quite everything is covered, but this is a great started. Most untrained aggressive dogs willing/wanting to bite belong to bad people. Those people allow their dog to be in a situation where they will bite or attack. Responsible dog owners have trained and socialized their dogs to not be aggressive with people, therefore this law will help crack down on the irresponsible pet owners that shouldn’t even be allowed to own an animal in the first place.
Incorrect. The breed “distinction” you’re referring to is called racism. I own a 6 month old in tact Doberman Pinscher. He is the most well-behaved and well-trained dog I ever owned. He is wonderful off the leash at the park and can play with Great Danes to Yorkies. He has never displayed any aggression whatsoever. There are a few dog breeds I have had problems with, though…one certain dog named Paco tried to attacked me in the face for no reason…this dog was a Chihuahua. Also, my other dog was attacked by a Toy Poodle. A dog I was babysitting was attacked by a pack of chocolate Labs.
Why don’t you take a look at the American Temperament Test Society’s website to see how terrible the small “friendly” breeds do. The Chihuahua has a passing rate of 71% while the Pit Bulls have a passing rate of 84%. Your wonderful example of a Beagle only passed with 79%. The Daschund has a passing rate of only 66%. Let the results do the rest of the talking. A lot of people like you immediately think that the big dogs are bad while the little one are sweet. False. If anything, the little ones cause more trouble because the majority of them are never properly trained. Just like the Pomeranian dog that attacked in the face and killed a newborn baby. I’ll leave you to ponder over that.
GB you are so wrong that I doubled over laughing as did many people in my office. Does stupidity come naturally to you or do you work hard at it?
So with your logic, itty, bitty cars cause only small accidents, small or no injuries and small settlements?
Would never want you as my adjuster.
LH please learn how to read and comprehend then come back to this board. Many thanks. George was using a metaphor of sorts, I will try to break it down so a 3rd grader, I mean you, to understand. Use a rifle approach to this situation instead of a shotgun approach. This means instead of using a wide approach to the problem, narrow it down (rifle approach) and really target the problem. Duh!
Ashton I can not believe that you actually used the word racism with respect to dogs. The word racism/racist has officially jumped the shark and has absolutely no meaning anymore. For now on when I hear someone crying/alleging racism I will think of Peter crying “Wolf”, ie – complete bull.
I’m glad I was able to provide some humor for your workplace. I never said little cars cause little accidents though. A “little” car is still 1200 pounds of metal hurtling along at 60 miles per hour. That’s going to do a lot of damage to people and things.
However, just look at a tiny dogs mouth, it isn’t big enough or strong enough to be able to easily kill a person. Sure, it could kill an infant, and there are isolated cases of probably every breed doing something heinous, just as there are examples of the “bad” breeds that are lovable friendly dogs. BUT….we work in insurance where you look at large samples. Most of the really shocking cases of dog bite are from a few breeds. Is it fair to penalize the owners of those breeds ? Its as fair as charging more car insurance for a young male, a low credit score, or multiple violations.