State Farm committed perjury to the IRS in order to claim their agents as independent contractors. As one example State Farm told the IRS \”agents attend meetings at their option\” and \”there are no penalties for not attending meetings\”. There are two documents, signed under penalty of perjury, by State Farm and sent to the IRS in 1991 and again in 2000. State Farm terminated 4 agents in 1999 for the specific reason of not attending a \”mandatory meeting\”. I have the documentaton and it has been produced in our court case which is now before the California Supreme Court (Case#S131445). I also have documents to and from State Farm (in 1998) stating they do have mandatory meetings and the State Farm Vice President who signed under penalty of perjury was copied on these letters. Did State Farm committ perjury Absolutely! What effect does this perjury have on anyone else? By lying to the IRS State Farm avoids state and federal payroll taxes on approximately $3 Billion of annual payroll and this has been going on since 1998 ($24 Billion and counting).
Is this the Best you can Do ? Perjury about wether or not agents attend meetings or not ?
Wow, I think this is Bunk !
Lets set the facts straight. Agents at State Farm have been considered Independent Contractors for Accounting purposes. The Agents then account for the income and PAY THE TAXES accordingly.
Wether the Tax is paid by State Farm or by an agent for State Farm whats the beef ? As long as State Farm is abiding to the accounting principles set forth in GAAP why is it any of Rich P\’s business.
Get a LIFE.
The IRS is ok with the situation, no Blood, no Foul.
Rich, it is time to Move on, get a real problem to complain about.
Unless Rich P is an Lawyer involved in the case or an IRS official, He was not affected by the determination MADE BY THE IRS upholding the IC status of their Agency Force.
No, More likely, he is like the person who lives on your street who complains about everyone else over bullschitt and then gossips like a school girl behind their backs. The IC Status in this case does not touch anyone personally, even Rich.
Roger and \”Rocket Man\” you really shouldn\’t make statements about something you can\’t verify. Roger for example the IC (Independent Contractor) determination was made in 2000 by a filing made by me. State Farm was answering to the IRS in regard to an SS-8 I had filed and they lied, under penalty of perjury. So please re-read your last statements and you will see you really don\’t know what you are talking about. As to \”Rocket Man\” I can see you are no rocket scientist.
State Farm doesn\’t have to follow GAAP as closely because they\’re not a public company. And there are lots of insurance accounting methods that aren\’t even addressed in GAAP.
I think they\’re up to no good. They don\’t pay liability claims anymore, they don\’t pay for the appraisal process, what\’s going on with them? This is Allstate behavior, but Allstate is the one coming out shining in all this.
I am not surprised you were bested by the State Farm, it looks like you LOST your case.
Well Legal Beagle, I am surprised that you gave away your interest in this case.
Most people really think that people in the legal professions are lower than low, the scum of the earth, downright pathetic. I am happy that you have affirmed this popular notion.
Thanks for clearing this up, you LOOSER !
Why don\’t you go chase ambulances or something ? Cant you sue the tobacco industry again ? How do you look at your self in the mirror, oh, I forgot vampires cannot see their reflection………….
I am a freelance journalist, based in New York, investigating State Farm\’s alleged wrongdoings. I am interested in speaking with current or former SF agents, or other SF personnel, who have personal experiences with wrongful termination, SF’s inappropriate use of independent contractor status, or other potentially unethical corporate practices.
If you are willing to speak, either on the record or off, please contact me at fredamoon@gmail.com
I submitted my resignation to be effective 4/1/08 because I felt State Farm is trespassing the Independent Contractor agreement by minding too much of my supposed business. The force the State Farm culture and if not accepted, make it impossible for an agent to continue. Countless luncheons, drinks, etc which do not seem like my business but all theirs. I submitted my resignation before reading about Rich Pyorre’s case but well understood that I if I invested many years to this “business” I would walk out with nothing to call my own.
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State Farm committed perjury to the IRS in order to claim their agents as independent contractors. As one example State Farm told the IRS \”agents attend meetings at their option\” and \”there are no penalties for not attending meetings\”. There are two documents, signed under penalty of perjury, by State Farm and sent to the IRS in 1991 and again in 2000. State Farm terminated 4 agents in 1999 for the specific reason of not attending a \”mandatory meeting\”. I have the documentaton and it has been produced in our court case which is now before the California Supreme Court (Case#S131445). I also have documents to and from State Farm (in 1998) stating they do have mandatory meetings and the State Farm Vice President who signed under penalty of perjury was copied on these letters. Did State Farm committ perjury Absolutely! What effect does this perjury have on anyone else? By lying to the IRS State Farm avoids state and federal payroll taxes on approximately $3 Billion of annual payroll and this has been going on since 1998 ($24 Billion and counting).
That is VERY interesting insight R. Pyoree.
No doubt they are concerned about the original documentation you, or others, have to support your case.
Where you ever affected by their \’independent contractor is only independent when we say so\’ State Farm law, and accounting, logic?
Rich,
Is this the Best you can Do ? Perjury about wether or not agents attend meetings or not ?
Wow, I think this is Bunk !
Lets set the facts straight. Agents at State Farm have been considered Independent Contractors for Accounting purposes. The Agents then account for the income and PAY THE TAXES accordingly.
Wether the Tax is paid by State Farm or by an agent for State Farm whats the beef ? As long as State Farm is abiding to the accounting principles set forth in GAAP why is it any of Rich P\’s business.
Get a LIFE.
The IRS is ok with the situation, no Blood, no Foul.
Rich, it is time to Move on, get a real problem to complain about.
CH,
Unless Rich P is an Lawyer involved in the case or an IRS official, He was not affected by the determination MADE BY THE IRS upholding the IC status of their Agency Force.
No, More likely, he is like the person who lives on your street who complains about everyone else over bullschitt and then gossips like a school girl behind their backs. The IC Status in this case does not touch anyone personally, even Rich.
Roger and \”Rocket Man\” you really shouldn\’t make statements about something you can\’t verify. Roger for example the IC (Independent Contractor) determination was made in 2000 by a filing made by me. State Farm was answering to the IRS in regard to an SS-8 I had filed and they lied, under penalty of perjury. So please re-read your last statements and you will see you really don\’t know what you are talking about. As to \”Rocket Man\” I can see you are no rocket scientist.
State Farm doesn\’t have to follow GAAP as closely because they\’re not a public company. And there are lots of insurance accounting methods that aren\’t even addressed in GAAP.
I think they\’re up to no good. They don\’t pay liability claims anymore, they don\’t pay for the appraisal process, what\’s going on with them? This is Allstate behavior, but Allstate is the one coming out shining in all this.
Rich,
I am not surprised that your an Attorney.
I am not surprised your angry with State Farm.
I am not surprised you were bested by the State Farm, it looks like you LOST your case.
Well Legal Beagle, I am surprised that you gave away your interest in this case.
Most people really think that people in the legal professions are lower than low, the scum of the earth, downright pathetic. I am happy that you have affirmed this popular notion.
Thanks for clearing this up, you LOOSER !
Why don\’t you go chase ambulances or something ? Cant you sue the tobacco industry again ? How do you look at your self in the mirror, oh, I forgot vampires cannot see their reflection………….
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I am a freelance journalist, based in New York, investigating State Farm\’s alleged wrongdoings. I am interested in speaking with current or former SF agents, or other SF personnel, who have personal experiences with wrongful termination, SF’s inappropriate use of independent contractor status, or other potentially unethical corporate practices.
If you are willing to speak, either on the record or off, please contact me at fredamoon@gmail.com
Thanks,
F. Moon
I submitted my resignation to be effective 4/1/08 because I felt State Farm is trespassing the Independent Contractor agreement by minding too much of my supposed business. The force the State Farm culture and if not accepted, make it impossible for an agent to continue. Countless luncheons, drinks, etc which do not seem like my business but all theirs. I submitted my resignation before reading about Rich Pyorre’s case but well understood that I if I invested many years to this “business” I would walk out with nothing to call my own.
Sincerely,
Myrna