first of all as a seamam are you planning on sueing the ship if it was sunk? remember being on the high seas is a risk of your life anyways. a business is a business and you signed onto that life. that would be like you signed sealed and delivered into the army and got sent to the front line. now you panic because you are actually seeing combat. i think you will find this tossed out of court as frivilous. if you ran a business and you found that it saved you money to run that route, don’t you think you would? this kid if scared, should find a different career. but the shipping companies, will not have to pay for this.
I find it hard to believe this seaman was not entirely aware of the piracy risk. Are they contracted? Did he have a choice to sail or not on this route or any particular run? More likely he knowingly accepted the risk and gambled that nothing would happen. Really, how good could the pay be to accept the risks of this job?
Ummm.. Wudchuck… this “Kid” as you called him has 32 years on the water…per the article.
Sounds like he is not a kid, but a man who has a family to support. He will surely return to sea…but likely will turn down any assignments that take him through the waters near Somilia.
Wud obviously didn’t read the entire article. The fact that the crew had been asking for years for improved safety measures and the fact that this type of even has substaintially increased will be enough for this guy to get his money. Odds are it won’t even get to court. I think the government should look in to situations like this more and stop looking at stuff like baseball and a college playoff system. Require stronger security measures for employment. Maybe OSHA should be involved.
The matie says it pretty clear in the article … “he never thought this would happen” … so how does he expect anyone else to? Yes pirates in those waters, but recall when this occurred the vessel was several hundred miles off the coast … at that time it was newsworthy that the pirates were now making such boarding attempts so far off of the cost in their litle skiffs. Ships were giving this area a wide berth … this was unanticipated piracy on the high seas, not in some contested costal waters. I don’t think the seaman 1) has any damages, and 2) probably doesn’t deserve any recovery. Having said that, I am all for blasting all of the pirates off the water … lets get some air cover or better yet, some Q-ships
The US government won’t allow them to have weapons to defend themselves. So how do you “improve safety” from pirates. There is talk that the surviving pirate will also sue.
well, i see that u think i am a young’n…well, i served in the navy for 13 yrs…maritime security is every nations’ responsibility…problem is that the area of ocean so vast, it’s hard to cover…shipping lines used loydds of london to proect the interest of the cargo and business as insurance…same should be for these instances as well…now, as far as him being on the seas, well, he’s been there for a long time and is aware that anything could happen…it’d be like me walking home from my and i have been there for years, but on the way home i got kidnapped – do i sue whom? the city does it best to stop crime but can’t be 100%…the seas are so vast, we can’t protect it…when u look at the industry as a whole, many countries will not allow armed commercial ships into port…are there solutions out there? sure, but is it costly? probably! u have to think of the business as a business, where does profit start and end? i know we can’t put a price on life, but we know that with our soldiers, sailors, marines and airman. what the difference? i think that company looked at all the odds. just because one person spoke or a few, does not mean it wasn’t talked or shared discussion. truly, this guy will spend more money w/the lawyer, especially when it does not go to court.
this is a high-risk job doesn’t mean that there should be no safety precautions taken and everyone who works in this industry should just accept certain death! The risks of this type of job mean there is even MORE reason to conform to safety recommendations. He has a case if it can be shown that management put off compliance with safety recommendations. Nevermind what he thought himself–it is always mangement’s responsibility to keep employees safe. This guy could be the most clueless person in the universe, sharp as a marble. That doesn’t diminish management liability. No layperson could have predicted that a plane would crash into the WTC on 9/11. It was a singular event in history, a lot less common than piracy. And yet many companies now provide emergency kits containing masks with a special gel inside to help avoid inhaling toxic fumes. AIG is one of these companies. Do I think something like 9/11 is going to happen again? In truth, no. But I got 2 words for ya…MANAGEMENT LIABILITY.
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first of all as a seamam are you planning on sueing the ship if it was sunk? remember being on the high seas is a risk of your life anyways. a business is a business and you signed onto that life. that would be like you signed sealed and delivered into the army and got sent to the front line. now you panic because you are actually seeing combat. i think you will find this tossed out of court as frivilous. if you ran a business and you found that it saved you money to run that route, don’t you think you would? this kid if scared, should find a different career. but the shipping companies, will not have to pay for this.
I find it hard to believe this seaman was not entirely aware of the piracy risk. Are they contracted? Did he have a choice to sail or not on this route or any particular run? More likely he knowingly accepted the risk and gambled that nothing would happen. Really, how good could the pay be to accept the risks of this job?
Ummm.. Wudchuck… this “Kid” as you called him has 32 years on the water…per the article.
Sounds like he is not a kid, but a man who has a family to support. He will surely return to sea…but likely will turn down any assignments that take him through the waters near Somilia.
Arggggggggggggggggg matie, it is the risk of the job. And by the way, Wudchuck is 97 years old so this is a kid to him! Only joking wudie
Wud obviously didn’t read the entire article. The fact that the crew had been asking for years for improved safety measures and the fact that this type of even has substaintially increased will be enough for this guy to get his money. Odds are it won’t even get to court. I think the government should look in to situations like this more and stop looking at stuff like baseball and a college playoff system. Require stronger security measures for employment. Maybe OSHA should be involved.
The matie says it pretty clear in the article … “he never thought this would happen” … so how does he expect anyone else to? Yes pirates in those waters, but recall when this occurred the vessel was several hundred miles off the coast … at that time it was newsworthy that the pirates were now making such boarding attempts so far off of the cost in their litle skiffs. Ships were giving this area a wide berth … this was unanticipated piracy on the high seas, not in some contested costal waters. I don’t think the seaman 1) has any damages, and 2) probably doesn’t deserve any recovery. Having said that, I am all for blasting all of the pirates off the water … lets get some air cover or better yet, some Q-ships
The US government won’t allow them to have weapons to defend themselves. So how do you “improve safety” from pirates. There is talk that the surviving pirate will also sue.
I hear Cunard Lines is always looking for cooks…………….
well, i see that u think i am a young’n…well, i served in the navy for 13 yrs…maritime security is every nations’ responsibility…problem is that the area of ocean so vast, it’s hard to cover…shipping lines used loydds of london to proect the interest of the cargo and business as insurance…same should be for these instances as well…now, as far as him being on the seas, well, he’s been there for a long time and is aware that anything could happen…it’d be like me walking home from my and i have been there for years, but on the way home i got kidnapped – do i sue whom? the city does it best to stop crime but can’t be 100%…the seas are so vast, we can’t protect it…when u look at the industry as a whole, many countries will not allow armed commercial ships into port…are there solutions out there? sure, but is it costly? probably! u have to think of the business as a business, where does profit start and end? i know we can’t put a price on life, but we know that with our soldiers, sailors, marines and airman. what the difference? i think that company looked at all the odds. just because one person spoke or a few, does not mean it wasn’t talked or shared discussion. truly, this guy will spend more money w/the lawyer, especially when it does not go to court.
this is a high-risk job doesn’t mean that there should be no safety precautions taken and everyone who works in this industry should just accept certain death! The risks of this type of job mean there is even MORE reason to conform to safety recommendations. He has a case if it can be shown that management put off compliance with safety recommendations. Nevermind what he thought himself–it is always mangement’s responsibility to keep employees safe. This guy could be the most clueless person in the universe, sharp as a marble. That doesn’t diminish management liability. No layperson could have predicted that a plane would crash into the WTC on 9/11. It was a singular event in history, a lot less common than piracy. And yet many companies now provide emergency kits containing masks with a special gel inside to help avoid inhaling toxic fumes. AIG is one of these companies. Do I think something like 9/11 is going to happen again? In truth, no. But I got 2 words for ya…MANAGEMENT LIABILITY.