We will find out if indeed the police and Dateline did anything wrong. It truly remains to be seen. The damage caused by men (mostly) who insist on having sex with children is measurable, widespread and far-reaching. The out-of-wedlock birth rates in our country now approach 40%. There is some reason women are not marrying the fathers of children at a rate unprecedented in our country. I believe that part of the problem is that we are not teaching our daughters the correct sequence of events with regard to sex, procreation, education, the workplace, and marriage. And I think many things contribute to the problem, including how easily accessible our kids are to complete strangers. We are out of tilt, and half our population thinks we solve these types of problems by throwing money at them. The absence of fathers in the lives of children leave the kids vulnerable to those who would exploit them. I’d like the lawyer to come to my house and try to gain access to my daughter. He would learn the value of a positive role model in the life of MY daughter. I think its time to call out these losers who value orgasm over whats best for the community.
So we have a suicidal, “potential” child molester, in a position of authority; making a decision not to defend themselves of the charges; and then commits the selfish act of taking their own life and leaving loved ones deal with the situation on their own. Then the family wants some money for their anguish.
I would be angry, but angry that someone I trusted so much is showing up at teens home’s, whether he was out for sex, or not. I would wonder that if I had kids whether they would have been safe left in his care when he babysat. I don’t blame the family for wanting money, as they have been through much. I blame the juries that rob Peter to pay Paul.
I started reading thru the many e-mails on this subject, but grew tired, so decided to add my own. — Since when does a television station decided when and how a law enforcement agency should act. If any entity is liable for the man’s suicide 9except himself), it would be the Law enforcement agency and the judge who issued the warrant. They are the “experts” on the law. —- On an another note, remember the axion: “They do not hang men because they stole horses, they hang them, so other men won’t steal horses”. NBC has “to catch a predator”, so other men won’t think of hooking up with a underage girl. – one other note, did they show what e-mails were passed between the suicider and the decoy? If he did send lewd comments, then he was guilty of a crime. & finally, if he was an agent of the Court, I would suspect that he had enough muscle to wipe the stain of any DATELINE story on him, and possibly expose DATELINE for their “dirty tactics”
There are a bunch of men out there who are not true Pedaphiles but have been tittilatd by the junk on the Internet. They then get caught up in the Crack Cocaine of the Internet — child sex porn. These folks indulge in secret, without ever coming in contact with reality other than the exploitive viewing of abuse. They can’t stop the addiction and they are freaking out because there is no where to turn. When they come to the attention of the media or cops they commit suicide. The suicide rate among such arrests is the highest of any known group.
OK, to start, I am a father with several daughters. The language he used alone is enough to get him arrested for indecency with a child. The suggestions and descriptions of the acts he wanted to commit AFTER her knew the “girl” was “14” is also a charge of intent of criminal sexual assault of a child in Texas. That he was a lawyer shows he knew that what he was doing was a punishable crime but he continued despite this knowledge. That NBC acted irresponsibly in the pursuit of sensationalism is the basis of the suit. I agree with all these points. And if found guilty, I believe NBC should be held accountable for the wrongs they commited. I DO NOT however, believe that NBC should be held responsible for the choice Conradt made in taking his own life. His reason and justification died with him. That is the choice HE made. Now, along comes his sister and wants 100 million because her brother killed himself? What justifies this? Because NBC has the money? She, in my opinion at this point based on what I have heard, is just as guilty as NBC of wanting to cash in on her brother’s infamy and crimes. There was irrefutable evidence of his commiting as least two punishable crimes of sexual indecency with what he thought was a child. Entrapment? Did she ask him to talk dirty or if he wanted sex? Not in the transcripts I have read. I feel responsibility here lies with the police for allowing themselves to be prodded to act unprofessionally, and with the judge for allowing himself to be coerced into issueing a warrant for the arrest. They are, however, only human regardless of their position and money and fame is a compelling incentive. I am not exonerating anyone or excusing anyone’s actions. My greivance is with the sister. She doesn’t deserve to profit from her brother’s death and I feel her asking for so much is her going for the brass ring and hoping to get a sympathetic jury to assure her comfortable future.
COMMON SENSE. WHAT HAPPENED TO IT? SUE A TV SHOW FOR MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE FIGHT AGAINST PEDAPHILES, WHATS HAPPENING TO THIS COUNTRY? IM A MOM OF 4 AND I THINK JUSTICE FREVAILED IN THIS CASE. ONE LESS PEDAPHILE TO ATTACK OUR KIDS, THATS A GOOD THING. NBC DID NOTHING WRONG THE WEIRDO DID. THEN HE SHOT HIMSELF- TO BAD HE DIDNT TAKE HIS SISTER WITH HIM.
No one commented on your post Gil, but I think that its right on. We as a society have sex turned on its ear. Single moms are seen as heroic for having a baby without a dad, but a kid needs the impact of both parents to become a fully formed adult. Men who weren’t given any form of sexual education now look at kiddie porn and then some want to take it a step further. And the sex ed of “everything is ok and you can’t make judgements about another persons sexual beliefs and feelings doesn’t count”. Don’t tell me its not true because 3 of my kids have gone through sex ed and have had this drilled into their heads-and what they have learned-that there is no right or wrong if 2 people consent isn’t what I learned in public schools in the 70’s-that sex is a responsibility not a freedom and that there are consequences for having sex when you shouldn’t-just like we learned about responsibility in driveers ed and about drinking and smokin in health aren’t applied today.
As a result, we are growing several generations of adults who have some really screwed up ideas about sex-and we’ll see this more and more until we go back to bassics and teach our kids correctly.
I expect to get bashed for some of what I’m going to type.
I do have to stand up for the men – according to the Administration for Children and Families women are equal opportunity abusers. 40% of all abusers are mothers (http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm05/figure3_5.htm). Granted this covers all maltreatment, but we need to stop focusing on men and focus on what truly matters – education and protection of our children. As I recall the past few high-profile cases of teachers having sex with students have been female teachers preying on male students.
We need to make it undesireable to have children out of wedlock. We need to stop supporting people who make bad decisions. We need to stop allowing predators back on the street. What two consenting adults do behind closed doors is their business; but once you bring a child into it it’s the community’s business.
While we’re at it we need to make the laws regarding the age of consent realistic. I heard a story within the last year of two boys (18 or 19) who went to prison and are now registered sex offenders because they received oral sex from girls within a couple years of their age. The one I remember best was an 18-year old boy and 17-year old girl, because it was so asinine. Granted, it’s illegal, but we need to make the laws more realistic.
I believe that was in Georgia that you are talking about. It was a black male, and apparently the state changed the statuary law to remove charges if the 2 were within 2 years of each other, or something to that effect. The real trouble came when they refused to reduce his sentence, since the violation occurred before the law changed. It was a pretty messed up situation, in my opinion.
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We will find out if indeed the police and Dateline did anything wrong. It truly remains to be seen. The damage caused by men (mostly) who insist on having sex with children is measurable, widespread and far-reaching. The out-of-wedlock birth rates in our country now approach 40%. There is some reason women are not marrying the fathers of children at a rate unprecedented in our country. I believe that part of the problem is that we are not teaching our daughters the correct sequence of events with regard to sex, procreation, education, the workplace, and marriage. And I think many things contribute to the problem, including how easily accessible our kids are to complete strangers. We are out of tilt, and half our population thinks we solve these types of problems by throwing money at them. The absence of fathers in the lives of children leave the kids vulnerable to those who would exploit them. I’d like the lawyer to come to my house and try to gain access to my daughter. He would learn the value of a positive role model in the life of MY daughter. I think its time to call out these losers who value orgasm over whats best for the community.
So we have a suicidal, “potential” child molester, in a position of authority; making a decision not to defend themselves of the charges; and then commits the selfish act of taking their own life and leaving loved ones deal with the situation on their own. Then the family wants some money for their anguish.
I would be angry, but angry that someone I trusted so much is showing up at teens home’s, whether he was out for sex, or not. I would wonder that if I had kids whether they would have been safe left in his care when he babysat. I don’t blame the family for wanting money, as they have been through much. I blame the juries that rob Peter to pay Paul.
I started reading thru the many e-mails on this subject, but grew tired, so decided to add my own. — Since when does a television station decided when and how a law enforcement agency should act. If any entity is liable for the man’s suicide 9except himself), it would be the Law enforcement agency and the judge who issued the warrant. They are the “experts” on the law. —- On an another note, remember the axion: “They do not hang men because they stole horses, they hang them, so other men won’t steal horses”. NBC has “to catch a predator”, so other men won’t think of hooking up with a underage girl. – one other note, did they show what e-mails were passed between the suicider and the decoy? If he did send lewd comments, then he was guilty of a crime. & finally, if he was an agent of the Court, I would suspect that he had enough muscle to wipe the stain of any DATELINE story on him, and possibly expose DATELINE for their “dirty tactics”
There are a bunch of men out there who are not true Pedaphiles but have been tittilatd by the junk on the Internet. They then get caught up in the Crack Cocaine of the Internet — child sex porn. These folks indulge in secret, without ever coming in contact with reality other than the exploitive viewing of abuse. They can’t stop the addiction and they are freaking out because there is no where to turn. When they come to the attention of the media or cops they commit suicide. The suicide rate among such arrests is the highest of any known group.
OK, to start, I am a father with several daughters. The language he used alone is enough to get him arrested for indecency with a child. The suggestions and descriptions of the acts he wanted to commit AFTER her knew the “girl” was “14” is also a charge of intent of criminal sexual assault of a child in Texas. That he was a lawyer shows he knew that what he was doing was a punishable crime but he continued despite this knowledge. That NBC acted irresponsibly in the pursuit of sensationalism is the basis of the suit. I agree with all these points. And if found guilty, I believe NBC should be held accountable for the wrongs they commited. I DO NOT however, believe that NBC should be held responsible for the choice Conradt made in taking his own life. His reason and justification died with him. That is the choice HE made. Now, along comes his sister and wants 100 million because her brother killed himself? What justifies this? Because NBC has the money? She, in my opinion at this point based on what I have heard, is just as guilty as NBC of wanting to cash in on her brother’s infamy and crimes. There was irrefutable evidence of his commiting as least two punishable crimes of sexual indecency with what he thought was a child. Entrapment? Did she ask him to talk dirty or if he wanted sex? Not in the transcripts I have read. I feel responsibility here lies with the police for allowing themselves to be prodded to act unprofessionally, and with the judge for allowing himself to be coerced into issueing a warrant for the arrest. They are, however, only human regardless of their position and money and fame is a compelling incentive. I am not exonerating anyone or excusing anyone’s actions. My greivance is with the sister. She doesn’t deserve to profit from her brother’s death and I feel her asking for so much is her going for the brass ring and hoping to get a sympathetic jury to assure her comfortable future.
I think you nailed it regarding the sister, Dad. Good post.
COMMON SENSE. WHAT HAPPENED TO IT? SUE A TV SHOW FOR MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE FIGHT AGAINST PEDAPHILES, WHATS HAPPENING TO THIS COUNTRY? IM A MOM OF 4 AND I THINK JUSTICE FREVAILED IN THIS CASE. ONE LESS PEDAPHILE TO ATTACK OUR KIDS, THATS A GOOD THING. NBC DID NOTHING WRONG THE WEIRDO DID. THEN HE SHOT HIMSELF- TO BAD HE DIDNT TAKE HIS SISTER WITH HIM.
No one commented on your post Gil, but I think that its right on. We as a society have sex turned on its ear. Single moms are seen as heroic for having a baby without a dad, but a kid needs the impact of both parents to become a fully formed adult. Men who weren’t given any form of sexual education now look at kiddie porn and then some want to take it a step further. And the sex ed of “everything is ok and you can’t make judgements about another persons sexual beliefs and feelings doesn’t count”. Don’t tell me its not true because 3 of my kids have gone through sex ed and have had this drilled into their heads-and what they have learned-that there is no right or wrong if 2 people consent isn’t what I learned in public schools in the 70’s-that sex is a responsibility not a freedom and that there are consequences for having sex when you shouldn’t-just like we learned about responsibility in driveers ed and about drinking and smokin in health aren’t applied today.
As a result, we are growing several generations of adults who have some really screwed up ideas about sex-and we’ll see this more and more until we go back to bassics and teach our kids correctly.
I expect to get bashed for some of what I’m going to type.
I do have to stand up for the men – according to the Administration for Children and Families women are equal opportunity abusers. 40% of all abusers are mothers (http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm05/figure3_5.htm). Granted this covers all maltreatment, but we need to stop focusing on men and focus on what truly matters – education and protection of our children. As I recall the past few high-profile cases of teachers having sex with students have been female teachers preying on male students.
We need to make it undesireable to have children out of wedlock. We need to stop supporting people who make bad decisions. We need to stop allowing predators back on the street. What two consenting adults do behind closed doors is their business; but once you bring a child into it it’s the community’s business.
While we’re at it we need to make the laws regarding the age of consent realistic. I heard a story within the last year of two boys (18 or 19) who went to prison and are now registered sex offenders because they received oral sex from girls within a couple years of their age. The one I remember best was an 18-year old boy and 17-year old girl, because it was so asinine. Granted, it’s illegal, but we need to make the laws more realistic.
I could go on longer, but need to eat my lunch.
Lastbat,
I believe that was in Georgia that you are talking about. It was a black male, and apparently the state changed the statuary law to remove charges if the 2 were within 2 years of each other, or something to that effect. The real trouble came when they refused to reduce his sentence, since the violation occurred before the law changed. It was a pretty messed up situation, in my opinion.