Thank you. I would be very happy to see an open discussion about what environmental and energy problems this country faces, and what (if anything) we should do about them.
I\’ll go first-
I think we should not worry about the lack of oil. I think we should take money from the bloated and fraudelently managed NASA budget to fund bio-diesel and ethanol research. After all, NASA rockets are HUGE polluters and all they\’re doing is firing (and losing) useless junk into space. Those funds and that research should be focused on generating clean, renewable power, and we should let $5.00/gallon gas determine how many SUV\’s get sold.
I think we should force factories and power plants to reduce or eliminate particulate discharge and poisonous emissions. I think the companies that profit from those factories and power plants should be forced to foot the bill. I think any company that closes a factory or power plant and moves it out of the country to a non-regulated environment should be heavily penalized by import duties and outright fines.
See? That wasn\’t so hard. Let\’s have an adult discussion that doesn\’t rely on competing arguments. Let\’s see if we can come to some sort of compromise based on mutual respect and concern for another citizens viewpoint..
Then all we have to do is print it out and jam it down the nearest congressmans throat with a combat boot.
the GOREISADOPE is a sophisticated scientific instrument, which when used properly, allows the user to determine exactly what amount of hysteria can be blamed on your opponent. It also allows you to balance your points so they are acceptable to your believers. Effectively used to bring moonbat, tree huggers into line in liberal end of Democratic Party. Your results may vary.
WARNINGS:
Side effects are similar to sugar pill. Do not use while operation heavy machinery. Follow advice of physician of doing any kind of running, including running for office. May result in weight gain if running fails to locate office. Often mistaken for Rose Colored Glasses, however, while Rose Colored Glasses bend light rays to the rosey part of the spectrum, they do not allow one to paint doom and gloom at your opponents as well as a GOREISADOPE; except no substitutes! Not to be mistaken for original thought or proof of any kind of thought process.
(patent pending once we get this internet invention thing worked out).
An interesting thesis I\’ve been reading about is that oil is produced when byproducts from the heat and pressure of the earth\’s core are distilled in the cooling process as they near the crust. Methane separates from the petroleum in this process which is ongoing, and is the furthest thing from being rotting dinosaur fossils. This is off topic, but since one argument the libs often throw out is that we have a finite supply of oil anyway. In fact, it is being made as I type, deep in the bowels of Momma Earth.
As for cleaning up pollution, I believe that if you can\’t afford to clean up your mess then you can\’t afford to make it. I have no problem with forcing people to be responsible citizens and not pollute the community. However, some of the arguments that seem to be environmentally focused are destructive of jobs and disrupt the economy, with little or no practical benefit. The Kyoto Protocols for instance offers draconian costs for minimal benefits, if any, and is to be imposed only on the West, not on India, China, etc.
The cleanest countries are Christian and have the freer markets. I wonder why that\’s so.
The vote is the vote. I voted to authorize. It was the right vote, and the reason I mentioned the threat is that we gave the–we had to give life to the threat. If there wasn\’t a legitimate threat, Saddam Hussein was not going to allow inspectors in. Now, let me make two points if I may. Ed [Gordon] questioned my answer. The reason I can\’t tell you to a certainty whether the president misled us is because I don\’t have any clue what he really knew about it, or whether he was just reading what was put in front of him. And I have no knowledge whether or not this president was in depth–I just don\’t know that. And that\’s an honest answer, and there are serious suspicions about the level to which this president really was involved in asking the questions that he should\’ve. With respect to the question of, you know, the vote–let\’s remember where we were. If there hadn\’t been a vote, we would never have had inspectors. And if we hadn\’t voted the way we voted, we would not have been able to have a chance of going to the United Nations and stopping the president, in effect, who already had the votes, and who was obviously asking serious questions about whether or not the Congress was going to be there to enforce the effort to create a threat. So I think we did the right thing. I\’m convinced we did.
Though most posts here do have deserving evidence for debate, no matter which side of the fence one stands on, Mr. Recall actually hit the nail on the head. It may take a few generations to realize it but the earth will eventually run out of fossil fuel. Though the Hubbert Peak Theory may not be universally agreed upon, most common since individuals will not disagree that an (eventual) alternate means of energy must be found to fuel our lust for power.
In that light, perhaps the entire debate about what, if indeed an actual human cause, is responsible for our climate changes is moot. Perhaps the scientific divas and political blow-hard\’s time would be more economically spent researching the true issue facing our future generations… What\’s the next \”cheep fuel?\”
Using this relationship and the time rate of change of the population from eq. 1 we get that on average the activity of each person produces 0.65 metric tons of CO2 per year. Multiplying this number by 6 billion (the present population) we get 3.9 billion tons of CO2/year, a number which is close to the estimated production from fossil fuels.
If we look at the popular vote most US citizens are liberals so if they all just stop breathing we can cut the CO2 levels back to probably 1900 levels.
So very wrong- al gore invented the internet and now gets royalties on every computer sold in the world. Computers are made mostly of plastic-plastic is obtained from petrolium by products Al has calculated using a form of 5th degree polynomial equations that only he understands that we will run out of plastic before the year 9,287. Since the population at that point will be over 900,000,000,000,000 and everyone including those considered partial birth abortion citizens will be required by law to own a computer (The Gore Act of 2012) and since computers will cost $900,000 each due to inflation he stands to loose a sh-t load of money. Reducing oil consumption by 5% back to 2004 levels will allow him another 36 days of sales and that is huge!
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Thank you. I would be very happy to see an open discussion about what environmental and energy problems this country faces, and what (if anything) we should do about them.
I\’ll go first-
I think we should not worry about the lack of oil. I think we should take money from the bloated and fraudelently managed NASA budget to fund bio-diesel and ethanol research. After all, NASA rockets are HUGE polluters and all they\’re doing is firing (and losing) useless junk into space. Those funds and that research should be focused on generating clean, renewable power, and we should let $5.00/gallon gas determine how many SUV\’s get sold.
I think we should force factories and power plants to reduce or eliminate particulate discharge and poisonous emissions. I think the companies that profit from those factories and power plants should be forced to foot the bill. I think any company that closes a factory or power plant and moves it out of the country to a non-regulated environment should be heavily penalized by import duties and outright fines.
See? That wasn\’t so hard. Let\’s have an adult discussion that doesn\’t rely on competing arguments. Let\’s see if we can come to some sort of compromise based on mutual respect and concern for another citizens viewpoint..
Then all we have to do is print it out and jam it down the nearest congressmans throat with a combat boot.
Just kidding.
the GOREISADOPE is a sophisticated scientific instrument, which when used properly, allows the user to determine exactly what amount of hysteria can be blamed on your opponent. It also allows you to balance your points so they are acceptable to your believers. Effectively used to bring moonbat, tree huggers into line in liberal end of Democratic Party. Your results may vary.
WARNINGS:
Side effects are similar to sugar pill. Do not use while operation heavy machinery. Follow advice of physician of doing any kind of running, including running for office. May result in weight gain if running fails to locate office. Often mistaken for Rose Colored Glasses, however, while Rose Colored Glasses bend light rays to the rosey part of the spectrum, they do not allow one to paint doom and gloom at your opponents as well as a GOREISADOPE; except no substitutes! Not to be mistaken for original thought or proof of any kind of thought process.
(patent pending once we get this internet invention thing worked out).
An interesting thesis I\’ve been reading about is that oil is produced when byproducts from the heat and pressure of the earth\’s core are distilled in the cooling process as they near the crust. Methane separates from the petroleum in this process which is ongoing, and is the furthest thing from being rotting dinosaur fossils. This is off topic, but since one argument the libs often throw out is that we have a finite supply of oil anyway. In fact, it is being made as I type, deep in the bowels of Momma Earth.
As for cleaning up pollution, I believe that if you can\’t afford to clean up your mess then you can\’t afford to make it. I have no problem with forcing people to be responsible citizens and not pollute the community. However, some of the arguments that seem to be environmentally focused are destructive of jobs and disrupt the economy, with little or no practical benefit. The Kyoto Protocols for instance offers draconian costs for minimal benefits, if any, and is to be imposed only on the West, not on India, China, etc.
The cleanest countries are Christian and have the freer markets. I wonder why that\’s so.
The vote is the vote. I voted to authorize. It was the right vote, and the reason I mentioned the threat is that we gave the–we had to give life to the threat. If there wasn\’t a legitimate threat, Saddam Hussein was not going to allow inspectors in. Now, let me make two points if I may. Ed [Gordon] questioned my answer. The reason I can\’t tell you to a certainty whether the president misled us is because I don\’t have any clue what he really knew about it, or whether he was just reading what was put in front of him. And I have no knowledge whether or not this president was in depth–I just don\’t know that. And that\’s an honest answer, and there are serious suspicions about the level to which this president really was involved in asking the questions that he should\’ve. With respect to the question of, you know, the vote–let\’s remember where we were. If there hadn\’t been a vote, we would never have had inspectors. And if we hadn\’t voted the way we voted, we would not have been able to have a chance of going to the United Nations and stopping the president, in effect, who already had the votes, and who was obviously asking serious questions about whether or not the Congress was going to be there to enforce the effort to create a threat. So I think we did the right thing. I\’m convinced we did.
Exactly.
Though most posts here do have deserving evidence for debate, no matter which side of the fence one stands on, Mr. Recall actually hit the nail on the head. It may take a few generations to realize it but the earth will eventually run out of fossil fuel. Though the Hubbert Peak Theory may not be universally agreed upon, most common since individuals will not disagree that an (eventual) alternate means of energy must be found to fuel our lust for power.
In that light, perhaps the entire debate about what, if indeed an actual human cause, is responsible for our climate changes is moot. Perhaps the scientific divas and political blow-hard\’s time would be more economically spent researching the true issue facing our future generations… What\’s the next \”cheep fuel?\”
and I voted for him, too, dammit
and will again, and the other guy, too.
my friends, we have a struggle on our hands, and my advise, as always, is to vote early, vote often.
Using this relationship and the time rate of change of the population from eq. 1 we get that on average the activity of each person produces 0.65 metric tons of CO2 per year. Multiplying this number by 6 billion (the present population) we get 3.9 billion tons of CO2/year, a number which is close to the estimated production from fossil fuels.
If we look at the popular vote most US citizens are liberals so if they all just stop breathing we can cut the CO2 levels back to probably 1900 levels.
So very wrong- al gore invented the internet and now gets royalties on every computer sold in the world. Computers are made mostly of plastic-plastic is obtained from petrolium by products Al has calculated using a form of 5th degree polynomial equations that only he understands that we will run out of plastic before the year 9,287. Since the population at that point will be over 900,000,000,000,000 and everyone including those considered partial birth abortion citizens will be required by law to own a computer (The Gore Act of 2012) and since computers will cost $900,000 each due to inflation he stands to loose a sh-t load of money. Reducing oil consumption by 5% back to 2004 levels will allow him another 36 days of sales and that is huge!