OK.If I’m Spock (a compliment), you be Dobbey and serve your master, who or whatever it is. But look at it this way. Our world has been around billions of years and YOU think it’s credible it will all go away in 45 years? And you think that’s reasonable. Maybe in another 10 years things will change and we’ll be starting another ice age,and then we can blame the democrats and atheists? Good luck! I’ll probably be dead by then anyway due to the heat!
Bill, exactly what type of formal scientist training have you had? Did you go to
Naysayer University? The University of
Phoenix? Were you home-schooled underneath
the right wing of a mother hen?
Yes 4 years may not seem like a lot, but if
you would bother to do a little homework,
you would find that NSIDC is funded by
NASA and thereby is the US foremost authority on changes underway in the Arctic. You would also realize that
the current Arctic sea ice conditions have not been observed in at least a 100 years and if the current trends continue and the Arctic sea does disappear in the summers, that would be something the Earth hasn’t seen in over a million years!!!
Are you going to be the last red-neck to leave the coastline before the hurricane hits?
What I find, as a non-scientist, most amusing is that for years now the “environmental lobby” has been held responsible for the seeping of the “precautionary principle” into risk management and government. Yet, oddly, it seems that it’s the global warming sceptics who apply this principle most liberally. There’s about as much evidence that the development of energy-efficient transport, homes and workplaces, together with “cleaner” electricity generation, will cause catastrophic economic damage as there is that human activity is accelerating the demise of the current ice age – so cannot those who constantly hold up the spectre of potential recession as the inevitable result of investment in new technologies be argued to be the worst scare-mongers of all? We are surely all waking up to the fact that fuel is only going to get more expensive over coming decades; so what do we have to lose?
P.S. – as I said, I’m not a scientist, but any schoolchild knows that melting pack ice does increase water levels. As the ice is compacted, oxygen is forced out (causing it to take on a bluish tint) then when it melts it is able, once again, to hold oxygen – thus increasing its mass and, molecule by molecule, sea levels.
Give it up. You just can’t argue with the right wing nuts…
They say its not real science…then you show them real scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center of the U of Colorado are making judgements based on real data…NOT GOOD ENOUGH! …Because some oil company scientist says its bunk.
When the data is SHOVED in their face…well, then they say the warming is actually a natural cycle, that we couldn’t have prevented, anyway. No need to change.
These people will never be convinced by any arguements. They hold THEIR opinion above all, but the most obvious facts.
If everybody had been paying attention to “Global Warming” in the 1990’s as I have, you would know there are several credible, government (and foreign country) sites where scientific information can be found on the THEORY of global warming. It isn’t like it just popped up a few weeks ago, and it ISN’T necessarily atmospheric – sea surface temperatures have been steadily on the upward rise for decades – check NOAA sites and do your homework. While remaining skeptical is fine, keeping your mind open to the POSSIBILITY might save your life……
We should remember what disasters teach us – they come without warning. 9/11 taught us some things, and so has Katrina. The basic elements are – know your area weaknesses (earthquake? flooding? snow? heat?), have a plan to evacuate if things get out of hand, know what to do if you lost power for days or weeks and overall BE PREPARED. Expect the unexpected. The wooly mammoths that have been found frozen with food still in their mouths should say something – sometimes change isn’t gradual.
Mentioning “global warming” in the 90’s would have gotten you laughed out of any serious scientific discussion. I don’t see scientists laughing anymore. While the CAUSE is open to debate, there are far too many observations being made to not believe our global climate is changing. Next year might be ‘normal’ but then again – maybe it won’t be. Be prepared.
I had always heard that the hole in the ozone layer was a major factor in global warming, but I thought I just heard that the hole is in fact getting smaller. So what do we blame it on now?
I myself am skeptical on the theory, but winters around here have been unfashionably warm & dry over the past few years. I remember as a child having snow piled so high that I could build tunnels throughout the whole front yard. Lately I have hardly had to shovel.
On the other hand, the last 5 years, summer has been abnormally temperate. We used to have several days that were over 100 degrees and haven’t had one of those in nearly 10 years now.
Read Bill Skepticals message again – He said he was a “formerly” trained scientist, which means he is no longer trained. Maybe you should go back to school then BIll. The fact is, there is real life evidence of global warming.
The real issue is whether it is a natural occurring trend, or caused by our actions. If it is caused by our actions, some might suggest we need to make changes.
Personally, I dont care why these problems are occurring, I still believe we need to make changes. I believe I have a spiritual obligation to take care of this beautiful planet. Therefore I believe we should practice conservation, and attempt to release less poisons and toxins into the environment. Even if it does not warm up, and even if there are no catastrophic events, I still believe in taking care of the environment. So essentially this is a not issue for me.
Of course, nobody has ever stopped to ponder the question, maybe, in the scheme of things, the globe is destined to worm up. Maybe the ice caps were designed to melt and a given time in global history.
I am always amazed at folks who believe that we humans can do so much to alter the ways of nature. It happens in spite of our intentions, good or otherwise.
I wonder if it is worth drilling for oil in the arctic, must be something up there other than ice that we can use? As far as flooding, the only thing that will make the tides rise is the ice above sea level that melts, everything under the water or under sea level is already affecting the tide level. When the ice in a glass of water melts, It does not raise the level of fluid in the glass, if you have ice that is above the water level, this will increase the level of water as it melts. I am going to go get in my HUGE SUV now and drive to my home in the burbs, where we have few trees left, and I’ll probably cook out on the gas grill and polute the air. Ya’ll hang in there, history reveals that it is a cycle, not to say that somethings we don’t affect the earth, but it happens on both sides of the thermometer.
I don’t think anybody really knows ‘what’ is the cause of warming, just that it is occuring. As science begins to accept the possibility, it also begins to do more in depth study. Science now sees changes in ocean currents, and increases in methane. While years ago it was ‘assumed’ to be warmer air caused by fossil fuel emmissions, now that theory may not be so accurate. It appears that warming may be coming from under the Earth as well.
What I do see is escalation. In the 90’s, the word was “in 100 years” we could see dramatic changes. Then I saw 75 years. Now, it is 55 or 60 years. We know change happens. Here in Montana, we are known as a mecca for dinosaur bones, including eggs. The climate now is by no means hospitable for these types of creatures. Something changed. Was it slow or did it come quickly? Who can say…….
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OK.If I’m Spock (a compliment), you be Dobbey and serve your master, who or whatever it is. But look at it this way. Our world has been around billions of years and YOU think it’s credible it will all go away in 45 years? And you think that’s reasonable. Maybe in another 10 years things will change and we’ll be starting another ice age,and then we can blame the democrats and atheists? Good luck! I’ll probably be dead by then anyway due to the heat!
Bill, exactly what type of formal scientist training have you had? Did you go to
Naysayer University? The University of
Phoenix? Were you home-schooled underneath
the right wing of a mother hen?
Yes 4 years may not seem like a lot, but if
you would bother to do a little homework,
you would find that NSIDC is funded by
NASA and thereby is the US foremost authority on changes underway in the Arctic. You would also realize that
the current Arctic sea ice conditions have not been observed in at least a 100 years and if the current trends continue and the Arctic sea does disappear in the summers, that would be something the Earth hasn’t seen in over a million years!!!
Are you going to be the last red-neck to leave the coastline before the hurricane hits?
What I find, as a non-scientist, most amusing is that for years now the “environmental lobby” has been held responsible for the seeping of the “precautionary principle” into risk management and government. Yet, oddly, it seems that it’s the global warming sceptics who apply this principle most liberally. There’s about as much evidence that the development of energy-efficient transport, homes and workplaces, together with “cleaner” electricity generation, will cause catastrophic economic damage as there is that human activity is accelerating the demise of the current ice age – so cannot those who constantly hold up the spectre of potential recession as the inevitable result of investment in new technologies be argued to be the worst scare-mongers of all? We are surely all waking up to the fact that fuel is only going to get more expensive over coming decades; so what do we have to lose?
P.S. – as I said, I’m not a scientist, but any schoolchild knows that melting pack ice does increase water levels. As the ice is compacted, oxygen is forced out (causing it to take on a bluish tint) then when it melts it is able, once again, to hold oxygen – thus increasing its mass and, molecule by molecule, sea levels.
Give it up. You just can’t argue with the right wing nuts…
They say its not real science…then you show them real scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center of the U of Colorado are making judgements based on real data…NOT GOOD ENOUGH! …Because some oil company scientist says its bunk.
When the data is SHOVED in their face…well, then they say the warming is actually a natural cycle, that we couldn’t have prevented, anyway. No need to change.
These people will never be convinced by any arguements. They hold THEIR opinion above all, but the most obvious facts.
If everybody had been paying attention to “Global Warming” in the 1990’s as I have, you would know there are several credible, government (and foreign country) sites where scientific information can be found on the THEORY of global warming. It isn’t like it just popped up a few weeks ago, and it ISN’T necessarily atmospheric – sea surface temperatures have been steadily on the upward rise for decades – check NOAA sites and do your homework. While remaining skeptical is fine, keeping your mind open to the POSSIBILITY might save your life……
We should remember what disasters teach us – they come without warning. 9/11 taught us some things, and so has Katrina. The basic elements are – know your area weaknesses (earthquake? flooding? snow? heat?), have a plan to evacuate if things get out of hand, know what to do if you lost power for days or weeks and overall BE PREPARED. Expect the unexpected. The wooly mammoths that have been found frozen with food still in their mouths should say something – sometimes change isn’t gradual.
Mentioning “global warming” in the 90’s would have gotten you laughed out of any serious scientific discussion. I don’t see scientists laughing anymore. While the CAUSE is open to debate, there are far too many observations being made to not believe our global climate is changing. Next year might be ‘normal’ but then again – maybe it won’t be. Be prepared.
I had always heard that the hole in the ozone layer was a major factor in global warming, but I thought I just heard that the hole is in fact getting smaller. So what do we blame it on now?
I myself am skeptical on the theory, but winters around here have been unfashionably warm & dry over the past few years. I remember as a child having snow piled so high that I could build tunnels throughout the whole front yard. Lately I have hardly had to shovel.
On the other hand, the last 5 years, summer has been abnormally temperate. We used to have several days that were over 100 degrees and haven’t had one of those in nearly 10 years now.
Read Bill Skepticals message again – He said he was a “formerly” trained scientist, which means he is no longer trained. Maybe you should go back to school then BIll. The fact is, there is real life evidence of global warming.
The real issue is whether it is a natural occurring trend, or caused by our actions. If it is caused by our actions, some might suggest we need to make changes.
Personally, I dont care why these problems are occurring, I still believe we need to make changes. I believe I have a spiritual obligation to take care of this beautiful planet. Therefore I believe we should practice conservation, and attempt to release less poisons and toxins into the environment. Even if it does not warm up, and even if there are no catastrophic events, I still believe in taking care of the environment. So essentially this is a not issue for me.
Of course, nobody has ever stopped to ponder the question, maybe, in the scheme of things, the globe is destined to worm up. Maybe the ice caps were designed to melt and a given time in global history.
I am always amazed at folks who believe that we humans can do so much to alter the ways of nature. It happens in spite of our intentions, good or otherwise.
I wonder if it is worth drilling for oil in the arctic, must be something up there other than ice that we can use? As far as flooding, the only thing that will make the tides rise is the ice above sea level that melts, everything under the water or under sea level is already affecting the tide level. When the ice in a glass of water melts, It does not raise the level of fluid in the glass, if you have ice that is above the water level, this will increase the level of water as it melts. I am going to go get in my HUGE SUV now and drive to my home in the burbs, where we have few trees left, and I’ll probably cook out on the gas grill and polute the air. Ya’ll hang in there, history reveals that it is a cycle, not to say that somethings we don’t affect the earth, but it happens on both sides of the thermometer.
I don’t think anybody really knows ‘what’ is the cause of warming, just that it is occuring. As science begins to accept the possibility, it also begins to do more in depth study. Science now sees changes in ocean currents, and increases in methane. While years ago it was ‘assumed’ to be warmer air caused by fossil fuel emmissions, now that theory may not be so accurate. It appears that warming may be coming from under the Earth as well.
What I do see is escalation. In the 90’s, the word was “in 100 years” we could see dramatic changes. Then I saw 75 years. Now, it is 55 or 60 years. We know change happens. Here in Montana, we are known as a mecca for dinosaur bones, including eggs. The climate now is by no means hospitable for these types of creatures. Something changed. Was it slow or did it come quickly? Who can say…….