even if manslaughter, 2.5 yrs is not enough especially when it was a planned event (death was not planned). but truly a planned event like this, a death could have happened. 2.5 is definately not enough because what if it was an innocent victim? how many other staged accidents did this guy do? how big of a ring? and how will restitution will be made for taking up the courts time and highway patrol for having to clear this unnatural mess. wonder how many other insurance companies have been gigged on this?
So because the perp is already behind bars for a non-related conviction, he doesnt’t get additional jail time, PLUS he gets the relative comfort of an American jail cell plus three squares before he gets deported?
Wouldn’t it be cheaper to ship him out now, with a “Do Not Return to Sender Until 2015” stamped on his forehead? Certainly the system could pay the DomRep a fraction of the annual cost to find him suitable lodgings in their correctional facilities somewhere.
So now we’re doing premptive jail time for could have beens?
The person who died was willingly taking the risks with being a part of the accident. The 2.5 years was for manslaughter. Your statements linked together toward making the manslaughter charge longer don’t even come close to making sense.
You want the government to be able to say: “Well you could have done worse, so we’re punishing you for that?”
The woman agreed to it. She died. He was a part of it, but in my opinion that by no means makes it nearly the same as typical vehicular manslaughter. Both the killed person and the person who killed were willingly performing a dangerous action. Should we punish people for willingly attempting to climb Mount Everest and one dies? Should we punish people for letting others do dangerous professional stunts with vehicles as well? How about for letting a friend smoke who had parents that died from it? You are completely clueless. In typical vehicular manslaughter one person agrees to the risk, the other who is killed is unwillingly a part of the risk.
As a Massachusetts resident it is sad to watch this once great city become a haven for insurance and Medicare fraud. It is estimated that up to two-thirds of auto insurance claims coming out of Lawrence are bogus…most carriers don’t have the manpower to investigate all of them. Word to the wise…don’t drive through Lawrence unless you must.
but how is a staged accident considered involuntary? afterall it has to be planned… would that not be like MURDER in the 1st DEGREE vs 2nd degree?! except we did not plan on killing anyone… someone said it earlier, why pay our money to store him behind bars with a bed and meals, when he should be infact deported and save the gov’t money that does not need to be spent…
You confused wudchuck. While it is semi true that i was stating if it was intentional then the crime would be worse, I was also stating that wudchuck had no grounds to increases the sentence on who could have died involuntarily. The woman who died took a risk. It was her choice. Manslaughter shouldn’t even be the choice. She practically killed herself.
wudchuck: You might want to check the “if you’re an illegal alien you deserve worse prison sentences” attidute at the door and stick to thinking of this as “people”.
Now at any rate: Charge him for the fraud, but murder is not what this man comitted. The woman particiapted and accepted the risks by her own choice.
Inspector, I agree 100%. There has also been a huge problem with Workers Compensation fraud for many years. I can remember a case several years ago when my insured got a pre-dated lawyer letter about a Comp claim (the date he got the letter was before the date of the claim).
The “low life” of which you speak was working with the “low life” who was supposedly “murdered” and you consider a “felony murder”.
Let me ask you a question: Does a bank robber get charged with murder when a fellow bank robber gets shot by a cop? Or does he get sentenced based on the hostages he took?
In this case the hostages are the drivers on the road. The death was the bank robber, who took part knowingly in a dangerous operation. The “incidental” death of a partner as a result should not be charged as murder. That’s just idiotic, and you are way too emotional. The “murder” or “death” of which you speak was the result of her own choice, actions, and accord. This man should not be charged with that.
Charge him for fraud. Charge him for wreckless endangerment, but that woman, and that woman alone, made the choice to do what she did. She paid for it. I’m sorry but punishing him more for her idiotic actions is just not appropriate.
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even if manslaughter, 2.5 yrs is not enough especially when it was a planned event (death was not planned). but truly a planned event like this, a death could have happened. 2.5 is definately not enough because what if it was an innocent victim? how many other staged accidents did this guy do? how big of a ring? and how will restitution will be made for taking up the courts time and highway patrol for having to clear this unnatural mess. wonder how many other insurance companies have been gigged on this?
So because the perp is already behind bars for a non-related conviction, he doesnt’t get additional jail time, PLUS he gets the relative comfort of an American jail cell plus three squares before he gets deported?
Wouldn’t it be cheaper to ship him out now, with a “Do Not Return to Sender Until 2015” stamped on his forehead? Certainly the system could pay the DomRep a fraction of the annual cost to find him suitable lodgings in their correctional facilities somewhere.
So now we’re doing premptive jail time for could have beens?
The person who died was willingly taking the risks with being a part of the accident. The 2.5 years was for manslaughter. Your statements linked together toward making the manslaughter charge longer don’t even come close to making sense.
You want the government to be able to say: “Well you could have done worse, so we’re punishing you for that?”
The woman agreed to it. She died. He was a part of it, but in my opinion that by no means makes it nearly the same as typical vehicular manslaughter. Both the killed person and the person who killed were willingly performing a dangerous action. Should we punish people for willingly attempting to climb Mount Everest and one dies? Should we punish people for letting others do dangerous professional stunts with vehicles as well? How about for letting a friend smoke who had parents that died from it? You are completely clueless. In typical vehicular manslaughter one person agrees to the risk, the other who is killed is unwillingly a part of the risk.
As a Massachusetts resident it is sad to watch this once great city become a haven for insurance and Medicare fraud. It is estimated that up to two-thirds of auto insurance claims coming out of Lawrence are bogus…most carriers don’t have the manpower to investigate all of them. Word to the wise…don’t drive through Lawrence unless you must.
If Bob is trying to say that if the deceased had been a totally innocent victim bthen the sentence was far too lenient, I agree.
but how is a staged accident considered involuntary? afterall it has to be planned… would that not be like MURDER in the 1st DEGREE vs 2nd degree?! except we did not plan on killing anyone… someone said it earlier, why pay our money to store him behind bars with a bed and meals, when he should be infact deported and save the gov’t money that does not need to be spent…
Amos:
You confused wudchuck. While it is semi true that i was stating if it was intentional then the crime would be worse, I was also stating that wudchuck had no grounds to increases the sentence on who could have died involuntarily. The woman who died took a risk. It was her choice. Manslaughter shouldn’t even be the choice. She practically killed herself.
wudchuck: You might want to check the “if you’re an illegal alien you deserve worse prison sentences” attidute at the door and stick to thinking of this as “people”.
Now at any rate: Charge him for the fraud, but murder is not what this man comitted. The woman particiapted and accepted the risks by her own choice.
Inspector, I agree 100%. There has also been a huge problem with Workers Compensation fraud for many years. I can remember a case several years ago when my insured got a pre-dated lawyer letter about a Comp claim (the date he got the letter was before the date of the claim).
The death occurred during the commission of a felony. The low life should have been charged with felony murder.
Mary:
The “low life” of which you speak was working with the “low life” who was supposedly “murdered” and you consider a “felony murder”.
Let me ask you a question: Does a bank robber get charged with murder when a fellow bank robber gets shot by a cop? Or does he get sentenced based on the hostages he took?
In this case the hostages are the drivers on the road. The death was the bank robber, who took part knowingly in a dangerous operation. The “incidental” death of a partner as a result should not be charged as murder. That’s just idiotic, and you are way too emotional. The “murder” or “death” of which you speak was the result of her own choice, actions, and accord. This man should not be charged with that.
Charge him for fraud. Charge him for wreckless endangerment, but that woman, and that woman alone, made the choice to do what she did. She paid for it. I’m sorry but punishing him more for her idiotic actions is just not appropriate.