It wasnt’t the National Anthem! What a crock to even pay for such nonsense. As for nuiusiance value, if they had the cajones to stand up to this kind of jibberish and not pay it there would be a whole lot less nuiusiance value around.
“When the Founders wrote the nation’s Constitution, they specified that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day– giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words “Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God” are never mentioned in the Constitution– not once.
Obviously you are an idiot. As well, you cannot think for yourself if you have to quote from some mediocre website published by blow hard red sox fans. Get a life and stay out of the insurance business.
Check all the facts. Our current “historians” claim they were all deists. There were many signers but the current educators only talk about a handful. God was important to most of them, they simply did not want to allow the government to determine any one faith. Today, we are at the opposite end, we want to kill the faith of our fathers.
Fact is, America has lost it’s identity and morals. Nothing is sacred anymore. The word “God” is on our currency and even inscribed on the Supreme Court building but people consider believing in something larger than themselves an “a la cart” proposition. When the immigrants settled here they had respect for the country and what it stood for. As younger generations replaced them, they lost that perspective. Nowadays they challenge the flag, the word God, the language, and everything else. They walk down the street with earphones on and look down at their blackberry while texting unecessary messages to irrelevan people. While tossing this clown out of the park may have been extreme, it’s refreshing to see someone still believes in American values. This idiot apparently felt that taking a leak from drinking too much beer was more important than spending 2 minutes honoring this country.
After reading everyone’s comments I am perplexed. We all agree that in this country we have the freedom to express our beliefs. We have had people die to defend this country and our rights. Whatever your beliefs are about religion or respecting a song played at a baseball game seems irrelevant. If what this person said happened did indeed happen then the cops were wrong. If during the song you needed to go to the bathroom that should not be a cause to be thrown out of the game. The police said he was drunk. Of course the police never lie to cover themselves once they find out there is a lawsuit right? Yes, I show respect for my country and yes I would honor the song but if I had to go I would go. If I were thrown out of the game for that you can bet I would be upset and you can bet I would feel my rights were stepped on. Getting thrown out for being drunk, fighting, etc. are all valid but it this story is accurate and this guy is being truthful then his rights were violated. I don’t know that I would have gone so far as to sue but you can bet I would have complained. No one will ever know if he was drunk or not but do you really think it was right to throw someone out for needing to use the bathroom? Maybe he had bowel issues or a medical condition. Maybe he drank a ton of water before the game and it just hit him. There are too many lawsuits but there are also too many people who do stupid stuff like throwing a person out of game because they did not conform to what they think someone should do.
Stuff like this distracts from the important stuff, such as, Which team one the game? Do we have the final score? Can and would someone post the box score?
Anyway, on a serious note, I go to lots of games at the Stadium and I always stand for GBA, but I neither remove my cap nor put my hand over my heart, because to do so is to disrepect the national anthem. I was in many USMC color guards and we always lowered all other flags (such as the USMC, Navy, and sometimes, state flags) during the playing of the national anthem, but you never lowered the other flags during the playing of GBA, because only the national anthem deserves such respect.
Anyway, no one should be compelled to worship or participate in anyone else’s religion or beliefs, but everyone should show at least a minimum of respect. So, if all of the crowd were asked to bow and face Mecca, the proper response for a non-muslim would be to stand silently to show respect.
Of course, most of you so-called liberal bloggers don’t give such respect to others with different political views and you expect others to worship and FUND your secular beliefs of nanny state, affirmative action, and all of that other junk.
very well put! i agree i am 13 yr navy veteran. as a vet, we put country above all other. the right for us to defend our freedoms. how many folks really appreciate the work that we do, most of it silently.
HOOAH! Fair Winds and Following Seas! (the navy in me.)… for the Marines – Semper Fi!
i am always proud of our military. i was an army brat prior to my service.
again, what was the score of the game? oh, i am a st louis cardinal fan!
You’re right, Wos. It was an over-reaction by the police. While one always should show respect for the beliefs of others, there never should be police coercion to force a show of respect.
So, reasonably, the fan could’ve waited two more minutes (he was in his late 20’s and had no medical problems), but since he chose to be disrepectful, that’s a refection on his lack of maturity, but by no means does such disrepect require police action. Save that for muslim countries, we ain’t that way and shouldn’t be that way.
(P.S. in my first post of today (7/13), in the first paragraph, the word “one” should be ‘won’, of course. My apologies, I confused anyone.)
“But the Red Sox fan said he had two beers, an hour apart, and enjoyed the game quietly.”
I hope this guy wasn’t under oath when he made this statement, there hasn’t been a Red Sox fan or Yankee fan for that matter that has ever enjoyed a game quietly. Two of the most annoying fan groups in the world!
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It wasnt’t the National Anthem! What a crock to even pay for such nonsense. As for nuiusiance value, if they had the cajones to stand up to this kind of jibberish and not pay it there would be a whole lot less nuiusiance value around.
“When the Founders wrote the nation’s Constitution, they specified that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day– giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words “Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God” are never mentioned in the Constitution– not once.
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
Obviously you are an idiot. As well, you cannot think for yourself if you have to quote from some mediocre website published by blow hard red sox fans. Get a life and stay out of the insurance business.
Check all the facts. Our current “historians” claim they were all deists. There were many signers but the current educators only talk about a handful. God was important to most of them, they simply did not want to allow the government to determine any one faith. Today, we are at the opposite end, we want to kill the faith of our fathers.
Fact is, America has lost it’s identity and morals. Nothing is sacred anymore. The word “God” is on our currency and even inscribed on the Supreme Court building but people consider believing in something larger than themselves an “a la cart” proposition. When the immigrants settled here they had respect for the country and what it stood for. As younger generations replaced them, they lost that perspective. Nowadays they challenge the flag, the word God, the language, and everything else. They walk down the street with earphones on and look down at their blackberry while texting unecessary messages to irrelevan people. While tossing this clown out of the park may have been extreme, it’s refreshing to see someone still believes in American values. This idiot apparently felt that taking a leak from drinking too much beer was more important than spending 2 minutes honoring this country.
After reading everyone’s comments I am perplexed. We all agree that in this country we have the freedom to express our beliefs. We have had people die to defend this country and our rights. Whatever your beliefs are about religion or respecting a song played at a baseball game seems irrelevant. If what this person said happened did indeed happen then the cops were wrong. If during the song you needed to go to the bathroom that should not be a cause to be thrown out of the game. The police said he was drunk. Of course the police never lie to cover themselves once they find out there is a lawsuit right? Yes, I show respect for my country and yes I would honor the song but if I had to go I would go. If I were thrown out of the game for that you can bet I would be upset and you can bet I would feel my rights were stepped on. Getting thrown out for being drunk, fighting, etc. are all valid but it this story is accurate and this guy is being truthful then his rights were violated. I don’t know that I would have gone so far as to sue but you can bet I would have complained. No one will ever know if he was drunk or not but do you really think it was right to throw someone out for needing to use the bathroom? Maybe he had bowel issues or a medical condition. Maybe he drank a ton of water before the game and it just hit him. There are too many lawsuits but there are also too many people who do stupid stuff like throwing a person out of game because they did not conform to what they think someone should do.
Stuff like this distracts from the important stuff, such as, Which team one the game? Do we have the final score? Can and would someone post the box score?
Anyway, on a serious note, I go to lots of games at the Stadium and I always stand for GBA, but I neither remove my cap nor put my hand over my heart, because to do so is to disrepect the national anthem. I was in many USMC color guards and we always lowered all other flags (such as the USMC, Navy, and sometimes, state flags) during the playing of the national anthem, but you never lowered the other flags during the playing of GBA, because only the national anthem deserves such respect.
Anyway, no one should be compelled to worship or participate in anyone else’s religion or beliefs, but everyone should show at least a minimum of respect. So, if all of the crowd were asked to bow and face Mecca, the proper response for a non-muslim would be to stand silently to show respect.
Of course, most of you so-called liberal bloggers don’t give such respect to others with different political views and you expect others to worship and FUND your secular beliefs of nanny state, affirmative action, and all of that other junk.
Semper Fi,
very well put! i agree i am 13 yr navy veteran. as a vet, we put country above all other. the right for us to defend our freedoms. how many folks really appreciate the work that we do, most of it silently.
HOOAH! Fair Winds and Following Seas! (the navy in me.)… for the Marines – Semper Fi!
i am always proud of our military. i was an army brat prior to my service.
again, what was the score of the game? oh, i am a st louis cardinal fan!
You’re right, Wos. It was an over-reaction by the police. While one always should show respect for the beliefs of others, there never should be police coercion to force a show of respect.
So, reasonably, the fan could’ve waited two more minutes (he was in his late 20’s and had no medical problems), but since he chose to be disrepectful, that’s a refection on his lack of maturity, but by no means does such disrepect require police action. Save that for muslim countries, we ain’t that way and shouldn’t be that way.
(P.S. in my first post of today (7/13), in the first paragraph, the word “one” should be ‘won’, of course. My apologies, I confused anyone.)
“But the Red Sox fan said he had two beers, an hour apart, and enjoyed the game quietly.”
I hope this guy wasn’t under oath when he made this statement, there hasn’t been a Red Sox fan or Yankee fan for that matter that has ever enjoyed a game quietly. Two of the most annoying fan groups in the world!