tell us how many kids to have and what religion to follow it may be too late? Is
there something wrong with personal freedom? I suspect that to date none of your personal freedoms have been affected or you may feel differently. Furthermore, what is the cost? And Hank, there will be a cost. But understanding that there is a cost implies a level of sophistication along with a timeline that is undoubtably too complex for the knee- jerk do-gooders of the big three (ny,nh,vt).
Gill,
You are right, none of my MAJOR personal freedoms have been affected, so it is easy for me to get up on the soap box and preach. But I think there are bigger fish to fry when it comes to complaining about losing your freedoms such as having no choice in the types of cigarettes to buy.
You are all over analyzing the situation. First off, is the smoking activity effected in any way by the change in design, if so, maybe you have a slight argument. Otherwise there is no argument here. Did you complain when they started putting child proof lids on medicine bottles? Some things have nothing to do w/ personal freedom. Some things have to do w/ common sense.
Good line of thinking R. U. It seems like people will jump on any issue to compain. I can’t beleive how many comments have been made on such a non issue. Must be some offices are less busy writing business than others.
Evidently, because I don’t smoke, they are not preferred by smokers. Of all the things that kill people, do you really think housefires from cigarettes are even in the top ten? Why not ban obesity? Is mandatory liposuction next? And I thought that giant sucking sound was all our jobs going South (remember that last great giveaway by the do-gooders?)
C’mon, Gill, let’s be serious. I don’t become overweight when I work next to an obese person. However, I can get lung cancer when working next to a smoker. My apartment isn’t gonna fall down when an obese person lives in the apartment next door. However, if the smoker next door isn’t responsible, the building could burn down. Your example isn’t a good one to use.
But no one has answered my questions. Are the self extinguishing cigarettes different from non extinguishing? Other than taking away my personal freedom of being able to choose which cigarettes to purchase (which is along the same lines as taking away my freedom of religion, speech, right to vote…), do they taste different or cost more?
Good point, ruserious!! I am gonna contact my congressman and demand we repeal all mandatory helmet laws for children! C’mon, people, who’s with me!!!
including I think a cigarette that didn’t
burn but delivered nicotine anyway, smokers didnt like it. There is more going on with smokers than just nicotine delivery. Psychological as well as physiological. The experience for some is social, part of a routine, and urges can be triggered by different things for different people. My point is that if someone wants to smoke, drink, eat, live in a tent or whatever, we better be damn sure before we tell them they can’t be free to live the way they want if they are not hurting anyone else. And in this day and age, when in my state one can’t smoke ANYWHERE indoors, including private clubs (including cigar clubs), I think it is safe to say no one has to work next to a smoker or even be around smokers if they don’t want to be. To guise this law as something to prevent housefires is disingenuous. How many house fires did New York have last year from cigarettes that killed someone besides the smoker?
Again, did it make the top ten reasons New Yorkers died last year? If not, why are they not addressing the more important issues that result in New Yorkers demise?
How many New Yorkers smoke? Isn’t the national average about 20-25% of Americans? How many New York smokers will be affected? 100%. How many social programs are paid for with tobacco dollars? If some New Yorkers quit, and others buy the kind of cigarette they want to smoke from Canada or other states, does that affect any social programs in New York because of reduced tobacco tax revenue? We call these sorts of things ‘unintended consequences’.
It may be a non-issue for you, Vin. Too bad you can’t find empathy for others who make different choices than you.
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Got a point there Bobby.
tell us how many kids to have and what religion to follow it may be too late? Is
there something wrong with personal freedom? I suspect that to date none of your personal freedoms have been affected or you may feel differently. Furthermore, what is the cost? And Hank, there will be a cost. But understanding that there is a cost implies a level of sophistication along with a timeline that is undoubtably too complex for the knee- jerk do-gooders of the big three (ny,nh,vt).
Gill,
You are right, none of my MAJOR personal freedoms have been affected, so it is easy for me to get up on the soap box and preach. But I think there are bigger fish to fry when it comes to complaining about losing your freedoms such as having no choice in the types of cigarettes to buy.
Spoken like a non-smoker.
You are all over analyzing the situation. First off, is the smoking activity effected in any way by the change in design, if so, maybe you have a slight argument. Otherwise there is no argument here. Did you complain when they started putting child proof lids on medicine bottles? Some things have nothing to do w/ personal freedom. Some things have to do w/ common sense.
Good line of thinking R. U. It seems like people will jump on any issue to compain. I can’t beleive how many comments have been made on such a non issue. Must be some offices are less busy writing business than others.
Evidently, because I don’t smoke, they are not preferred by smokers. Of all the things that kill people, do you really think housefires from cigarettes are even in the top ten? Why not ban obesity? Is mandatory liposuction next? And I thought that giant sucking sound was all our jobs going South (remember that last great giveaway by the do-gooders?)
C’mon, Gill, let’s be serious. I don’t become overweight when I work next to an obese person. However, I can get lung cancer when working next to a smoker. My apartment isn’t gonna fall down when an obese person lives in the apartment next door. However, if the smoker next door isn’t responsible, the building could burn down. Your example isn’t a good one to use.
But no one has answered my questions. Are the self extinguishing cigarettes different from non extinguishing? Other than taking away my personal freedom of being able to choose which cigarettes to purchase (which is along the same lines as taking away my freedom of religion, speech, right to vote…), do they taste different or cost more?
Good point, ruserious!! I am gonna contact my congressman and demand we repeal all mandatory helmet laws for children! C’mon, people, who’s with me!!!
including I think a cigarette that didn’t
burn but delivered nicotine anyway, smokers didnt like it. There is more going on with smokers than just nicotine delivery. Psychological as well as physiological. The experience for some is social, part of a routine, and urges can be triggered by different things for different people. My point is that if someone wants to smoke, drink, eat, live in a tent or whatever, we better be damn sure before we tell them they can’t be free to live the way they want if they are not hurting anyone else. And in this day and age, when in my state one can’t smoke ANYWHERE indoors, including private clubs (including cigar clubs), I think it is safe to say no one has to work next to a smoker or even be around smokers if they don’t want to be. To guise this law as something to prevent housefires is disingenuous. How many house fires did New York have last year from cigarettes that killed someone besides the smoker?
Again, did it make the top ten reasons New Yorkers died last year? If not, why are they not addressing the more important issues that result in New Yorkers demise?
How many New Yorkers smoke? Isn’t the national average about 20-25% of Americans? How many New York smokers will be affected? 100%. How many social programs are paid for with tobacco dollars? If some New Yorkers quit, and others buy the kind of cigarette they want to smoke from Canada or other states, does that affect any social programs in New York because of reduced tobacco tax revenue? We call these sorts of things ‘unintended consequences’.
It may be a non-issue for you, Vin. Too bad you can’t find empathy for others who make different choices than you.