I agree because I have been subject to harassment in the workplace. I just left also. If men would learn to control themselves and not get too familiar with people AND have controls in place where they make they are not alone with a member of the opposite sex and watch what they say then nothing can get misconstrued. How is anyone going to misinterpret telling a cheerleader to go and make the officials happy when draft picks in all sports are “made happy” by being introduced to prostitutes and/or some attractives females from certain schools to help players make a selection of where they will play — watch the Denzel Washington movie, “He Got Game”.
Men need to wake up and realize that they would not want their DAUGHTERS, SISTERS, MOTHERS, etc treated like this. Whether these allegations are wrong or not, it’s still happening somewhere to someody and if a big fat lawsuit is what it takes to make men think with the right head then so be it!
Come on with your jibberish! How can you cite a movie for your facts when movies are fantasy, some loosely based on fact. Let’s turn the tables for a second. Why do all the saleswomen for copiers and phones all wear low cut, revealing clothing when trying to make sales on cold calls? Why?
Listening to you, why does any woman even try out to be a cheerleader knowing they have to dress up in little outfits showing legs and bosoms? Why?
This whole allegation that Isiah made passes at this woman is probably made up because she won’t take the blame for her shortcomings on the job. Rumors have always circulated that Isiah plays for the “other team”, so unless this female basketball play looks like Bill Lambier, I personally doubt Isiah did anything to her and she simply cannot face the facts that she sucked at her job and got fired for it.
I don’t know of any salespeople wearing lowcut outfits unless you’re fantasizing about the Hooters waitresses. Your hair-brained retort is like saying women invite harassment, rape, etc if they are provocatively dressed. I wanted to be cheerleader and I believe if you have the skills, talent then flaunt it honey. Alot of cheerleaders are law abiding and productive members of society and for the money they get paid it has to be for love of their job, the attention or whatever but for me personally the money sucks therefore I wouldn’t do it. If your salepeople are wearing lowcut outfits then obviously their bosses are MEN and if you have to make a living then you take the job you have to then move on to something better QUICKLY or hold out at risk of demeaning yourself.
Yeah, yeah we have ALL heard the rumors about Mr. Washington and as far as I’m concerned if I was gay then I’d take Steve Nash but that’s just my opinion. “LAMBEAR” needs eternal anger management classes.
Also on the citing a movie part I could have made the post longer in citing family stories and my own spouse’s dealings but that movie really sticks out in my mind and my spouse says that pretty much the modus operandi.
I was at a hotel several years ago and passed through a medical equipment convention. I thought that it was a meeting of actresses or supermodels. Don’t be naive. Women sell products with their looks sometimes. I don’t condone sexual harassment anywhere, but lets be careful to get facts before just assuming that the accuser is always right. The Duke case should have taught us a lesson on assuming. Maybe we can get back to innocent until proven guilty, even for this type of crime. I have a daughter in the workplace and certainly want her protected, but I want all workers protected regardless of sex. Pro atheletes are the most spoiled children in the world and I don’t expect anything less than that the accusation is true, but it’s only an accusation at this point.
Well said Nobody. Sex sells and that is why certain women choose to wear provacative clothing in the sales field. All things being equal, a guy decision maker will chose the hot female over the male salesperson all day; all things being equal. Isn’t it the opposite for a female decision maker?
Maybe you need to learn how to play with the big boys and get a thicker skin. Everything isn’t always about you or women in particular (so don’t be so egotistical). A sense of humour also helps. I have joked around with many women in the office about things of a sexaul nature and they laugh right along and can sound just like a “truck driver”. I guess it all depends on the maturity level of the woman and how secure she is in herself. It’s sucks to look, act and sound meek, too bad for you.
while i tend to generally agree with your comments that some people just need to grow thicker skin, at the same time, i don’t think others should have to lower their own personal standards just to appease the “good ol’ boys club.”
i think if you and a coworker are comfortable with each other and can speak freely, then go for it. but if not, then keep your comments to yourself.
in some ways, i don’t feel this should be so much about sexual harassment as it should be about handling yourself in a mature manner at the work place.
if you can’t say it to your mama, don’t say it to the person in the cube next to you.
I whole-heartedly agree with you Nebraskan but their are many women out there just waiting to pounce on their chance to file a S.H. lawsuit with just one wrong look, glance, smile, word, etc. It appears to me many times these “victims” of S.H. are just not qualified for the job and they either quit or are terminated and instead of going out and finding a job they play whatever card that fits their status (be it gender, race, age, etc) and the file an meritless complaint.
I have only worked in a corporate setting for about 15 years but I have never seen or heard any type of talk or action that (to me) would qualify as harrassment but I have a really thick skin and a sense of humor. I hate to say this but women have taken the fun out of working at the office but not my office thank goodness.
I am just so sorry that women have taken your fun away — it’s neanderthals like you that think that the workplace is your own private playground. Why don’t you “play” with your wife, spend time with the kids and work on your golf game instead of thinking that women are here your verbal and viewing pleasure. A woman may not tell you to your face that she is uncomfortable – especially if you are in a position of authority over her. I take quite alot of sexual jokes and jargon at my workplace and just tell my husband who says at his job any sexual remarks are not tolerated in any shape, form or fashion.
Anyway, whatever you do in the dark will come to the light. So we will see how this lawsuit pans out. I hate to see these things come about and (1) old girl loses her nerves and drops the suit or (2) they were baseless in the first place.
I don’t think women have taken the fun out of the work place, i think it’s the prudes. please be careful with you finger pointing. for those PEOPLE (men and women alike) who have been harassed, i’m sure they weren’t having any fun at the expense of others.
but i will say, you make me curious. i assume we are all professionals here and it somewhat bothers me that you being able to be sexual at work is of some importance. let me give you an example where i think people should just keep their mouths shut. i left for lunch one day to meet my boyfriend, when i came back, my co-worker (the new guy i was training) asked me how my “nooner” was. I by no means felt sexually harassed, but i was really put off by his comments. What I do in my free time is MY BUSINESS unless I offer it up to you. and in this case, I had not.
and if this woman’s allegations turn out to be true it wasn’t just a bad joke being told. so please be aware of that.
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Right on, Claimsgirl,
I agree because I have been subject to harassment in the workplace. I just left also. If men would learn to control themselves and not get too familiar with people AND have controls in place where they make they are not alone with a member of the opposite sex and watch what they say then nothing can get misconstrued. How is anyone going to misinterpret telling a cheerleader to go and make the officials happy when draft picks in all sports are “made happy” by being introduced to prostitutes and/or some attractives females from certain schools to help players make a selection of where they will play — watch the Denzel Washington movie, “He Got Game”.
Men need to wake up and realize that they would not want their DAUGHTERS, SISTERS, MOTHERS, etc treated like this. Whether these allegations are wrong or not, it’s still happening somewhere to someody and if a big fat lawsuit is what it takes to make men think with the right head then so be it!
Come on with your jibberish! How can you cite a movie for your facts when movies are fantasy, some loosely based on fact. Let’s turn the tables for a second. Why do all the saleswomen for copiers and phones all wear low cut, revealing clothing when trying to make sales on cold calls? Why?
Listening to you, why does any woman even try out to be a cheerleader knowing they have to dress up in little outfits showing legs and bosoms? Why?
This whole allegation that Isiah made passes at this woman is probably made up because she won’t take the blame for her shortcomings on the job. Rumors have always circulated that Isiah plays for the “other team”, so unless this female basketball play looks like Bill Lambier, I personally doubt Isiah did anything to her and she simply cannot face the facts that she sucked at her job and got fired for it.
I don’t know of any salespeople wearing lowcut outfits unless you’re fantasizing about the Hooters waitresses. Your hair-brained retort is like saying women invite harassment, rape, etc if they are provocatively dressed. I wanted to be cheerleader and I believe if you have the skills, talent then flaunt it honey. Alot of cheerleaders are law abiding and productive members of society and for the money they get paid it has to be for love of their job, the attention or whatever but for me personally the money sucks therefore I wouldn’t do it. If your salepeople are wearing lowcut outfits then obviously their bosses are MEN and if you have to make a living then you take the job you have to then move on to something better QUICKLY or hold out at risk of demeaning yourself.
Yeah, yeah we have ALL heard the rumors about Mr. Washington and as far as I’m concerned if I was gay then I’d take Steve Nash but that’s just my opinion. “LAMBEAR” needs eternal anger management classes.
Also on the citing a movie part I could have made the post longer in citing family stories and my own spouse’s dealings but that movie really sticks out in my mind and my spouse says that pretty much the modus operandi.
I was at a hotel several years ago and passed through a medical equipment convention. I thought that it was a meeting of actresses or supermodels. Don’t be naive. Women sell products with their looks sometimes. I don’t condone sexual harassment anywhere, but lets be careful to get facts before just assuming that the accuser is always right. The Duke case should have taught us a lesson on assuming. Maybe we can get back to innocent until proven guilty, even for this type of crime. I have a daughter in the workplace and certainly want her protected, but I want all workers protected regardless of sex. Pro atheletes are the most spoiled children in the world and I don’t expect anything less than that the accusation is true, but it’s only an accusation at this point.
Well said Nobody. Sex sells and that is why certain women choose to wear provacative clothing in the sales field. All things being equal, a guy decision maker will chose the hot female over the male salesperson all day; all things being equal. Isn’t it the opposite for a female decision maker?
Maybe you need to learn how to play with the big boys and get a thicker skin. Everything isn’t always about you or women in particular (so don’t be so egotistical). A sense of humour also helps. I have joked around with many women in the office about things of a sexaul nature and they laugh right along and can sound just like a “truck driver”. I guess it all depends on the maturity level of the woman and how secure she is in herself. It’s sucks to look, act and sound meek, too bad for you.
while i tend to generally agree with your comments that some people just need to grow thicker skin, at the same time, i don’t think others should have to lower their own personal standards just to appease the “good ol’ boys club.”
i think if you and a coworker are comfortable with each other and can speak freely, then go for it. but if not, then keep your comments to yourself.
in some ways, i don’t feel this should be so much about sexual harassment as it should be about handling yourself in a mature manner at the work place.
if you can’t say it to your mama, don’t say it to the person in the cube next to you.
I whole-heartedly agree with you Nebraskan but their are many women out there just waiting to pounce on their chance to file a S.H. lawsuit with just one wrong look, glance, smile, word, etc. It appears to me many times these “victims” of S.H. are just not qualified for the job and they either quit or are terminated and instead of going out and finding a job they play whatever card that fits their status (be it gender, race, age, etc) and the file an meritless complaint.
I have only worked in a corporate setting for about 15 years but I have never seen or heard any type of talk or action that (to me) would qualify as harrassment but I have a really thick skin and a sense of humor. I hate to say this but women have taken the fun out of working at the office but not my office thank goodness.
I am just so sorry that women have taken your fun away — it’s neanderthals like you that think that the workplace is your own private playground. Why don’t you “play” with your wife, spend time with the kids and work on your golf game instead of thinking that women are here your verbal and viewing pleasure. A woman may not tell you to your face that she is uncomfortable – especially if you are in a position of authority over her. I take quite alot of sexual jokes and jargon at my workplace and just tell my husband who says at his job any sexual remarks are not tolerated in any shape, form or fashion.
Anyway, whatever you do in the dark will come to the light. So we will see how this lawsuit pans out. I hate to see these things come about and (1) old girl loses her nerves and drops the suit or (2) they were baseless in the first place.
I don’t think women have taken the fun out of the work place, i think it’s the prudes. please be careful with you finger pointing. for those PEOPLE (men and women alike) who have been harassed, i’m sure they weren’t having any fun at the expense of others.
but i will say, you make me curious. i assume we are all professionals here and it somewhat bothers me that you being able to be sexual at work is of some importance. let me give you an example where i think people should just keep their mouths shut. i left for lunch one day to meet my boyfriend, when i came back, my co-worker (the new guy i was training) asked me how my “nooner” was. I by no means felt sexually harassed, but i was really put off by his comments. What I do in my free time is MY BUSINESS unless I offer it up to you. and in this case, I had not.
and if this woman’s allegations turn out to be true it wasn’t just a bad joke being told. so please be aware of that.