US Muslim parents will not be able to control their children’s slide into mass culture, DVDs, ipods, mp3’s, music, cars, fast food, fashion, the whole rat race. Sharia won’t like it, but the kids will rock their parent’s world.
The same has happened, is happening and will happen worldwide. We are just delaying it by our necessary (but over-)response to Arab and Muslim violence in Iraq, and by not acting in places like Darfur–where Arab Muslims are re-pioneering racism and genocide against black Africans on a truly Nazi scale, supported by the Chinese.
But then again, people like OBL do their very best to provoke violence and slow down the process and people like the current US leaders are easily led into “productive” mis-reaction and over-reaction by a few guys hiding out in luxury caves in far Afghanistan. Just a kick here, a string pulled there, and the US undoes itself, killing hundereds of thousands, spending hundreds of billions in the wrong country, for goodness sakes–until we figure it out with a new administration and construct an intelligent and effective response instead of this Bush family Oedipal tragedy we are living through.
Read Bernard Lewis’s book “What Went Wrong” to study how once proud Muslim civilization, the beacon of learning, science and hope in the late Middle Ages, slid into its present state. Part of it is the repression of 50% of their own population–you know–those ritually impure creatures called females. UUUUU! (hatred of infidels, foregners, women, etc…too many hatreds, Arab guys, dial it down a little!)
The new caliphate that OBL and others hope for will only have Golden Arches and gender-mixed crowds, and international fashions, etc., etc. Just look at Vietnam today–the last country we saved. They want to be like us–for better or worse.
In the meantime, it is best to keep a stiff left jab going against the largely extreme Shi’a groups fomenting the violence. The Sunni have long been more practical and secular, but of course, we disabled the Sunni army in Iraq and, when we could have controlled it, we dismissed it. Neighboring Sunni regimes are feeling a bit naked without it being there. Maybe not such a good idea, eh, Paul Bremer? We’ve done a great job empowering Shi’a Iran–they must have very effective spies at work in our government–we’ve virtually set them up as THE power in their region.
In summary, it’s only a matter of time. It would be nice to hear some Arabs speak out against the madness inspired through religion but based as well in poverty and despotic regimes set up and propped up by–you guessed it!–American, British, French and Italian oil companies.
Would you speak up if the crazies might kill you? Would you really speak up? In spite of that many have spoken out. Brave souls!
Hatred gets stale in th midst of prosperity. Life’s too short.
What??? “It would be nice to hear some Arabs speak out against the madness inspired through religion but based as well in poverty and despotic regimes set up and propped up by–you guessed it!–American, British, French and Italian oil companies. Would you speak up if the crazies might kill you? Would you really speak up?”
Did you miss the point that Arab Americans have not been speaking up??? They wont be killed here if they speak up.
Reviewing many of the comments it appears we have lost a lesson from history. The solution was proposed and researched sometime ago. A foreign people with strange customs, not really American, and dangerous to us. Round all of them up and put them in the interment camps! After all they are all the same!
It was wrong then and it is just as wrong now in the commentary posted. At times I wonder if just being born here really should qualify you to call yourself an American when you espouse ideas more in line with those that we currently are engaged in war.
When you say all (fill in the blank) are (whatever your soap box stand is) you are discriminating against a people or culture. We are not all the same, we are unique. Don’t fall into the trap of discrimination and name calling.
And poverty in muslim countries is not the result of their backward religion, but of Bush’s tax cuts.
Actually, come to think of it, the many doctors like Zawajiri and all the doctors involved in the London bombing attempts, and the engineers like Arafat, and the billsionaires like OBL, are proof that poverty is driving terroism. If on’y we could raise taxes on the rich and raise the minimum wage we could end terroism!
“Did you miss the point that Arab Americans have not been speaking up??? They wont be killed here if they speak up.”
Is this your personal guarantee, Mr. [Blank]? Are you an expert on security in the US Muslim communities?
You didn’t even leave a pseudonym. Do you even speak about about little things that bug you at work or in your city, or in your church? Too risky, I’m sure.
I am pleased that you know the personal motivations and personal history of all recent terrorists. Your crystal ball is needed in Washington, now.
Since your sole solution is violence, why aren’t you already getting court-martialed in Iraq or Afghanistan for conduct unbecoming any average American? Not enough guts to send yourself, just your neighbors husbands, wives and kinds! You inspire confidence. I am going to listen to you.
As Stevie Wonder said years ago–When you believe in things that you don’t understand then you suffer. Don’t make us suffer with your ignorance and stupidity wrapped in covert racist arrogance and phony patriotism.
Call Scooter. I think he needs a friend these days.
How do you know my service record, you schmuck? Even so, one need not be an astronaut to critique NASA, and one need not be psychologist to pronounce that liberalism is an emotional problem. You evince it in spades, by the say.
(((I would pull my tin foil hat down over my ears if I were you. Rove might be trying to unlawfully tap your brain waves.)))
I really have no comment on Willy’s last post other than use spell-check before (you) rant.
This case along with many more to follow, I’m sure, is largely a byproduct of the fact that we are presently in a war with Islamic Terrorist. The Muslim faith, governments and/or any other Muslim state sponsored organizations clearly have no monopoly with worldwide terrorism but they ARE currently affecting OUR lives. Thus most Arab Americans, in general, will be looked upon as a potential treat… an unfortunate knee-jerk but largely only human nature response.
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US Muslim parents will not be able to control their children’s slide into mass culture, DVDs, ipods, mp3’s, music, cars, fast food, fashion, the whole rat race. Sharia won’t like it, but the kids will rock their parent’s world.
The same has happened, is happening and will happen worldwide. We are just delaying it by our necessary (but over-)response to Arab and Muslim violence in Iraq, and by not acting in places like Darfur–where Arab Muslims are re-pioneering racism and genocide against black Africans on a truly Nazi scale, supported by the Chinese.
But then again, people like OBL do their very best to provoke violence and slow down the process and people like the current US leaders are easily led into “productive” mis-reaction and over-reaction by a few guys hiding out in luxury caves in far Afghanistan. Just a kick here, a string pulled there, and the US undoes itself, killing hundereds of thousands, spending hundreds of billions in the wrong country, for goodness sakes–until we figure it out with a new administration and construct an intelligent and effective response instead of this Bush family Oedipal tragedy we are living through.
Read Bernard Lewis’s book “What Went Wrong” to study how once proud Muslim civilization, the beacon of learning, science and hope in the late Middle Ages, slid into its present state. Part of it is the repression of 50% of their own population–you know–those ritually impure creatures called females. UUUUU! (hatred of infidels, foregners, women, etc…too many hatreds, Arab guys, dial it down a little!)
The new caliphate that OBL and others hope for will only have Golden Arches and gender-mixed crowds, and international fashions, etc., etc. Just look at Vietnam today–the last country we saved. They want to be like us–for better or worse.
In the meantime, it is best to keep a stiff left jab going against the largely extreme Shi’a groups fomenting the violence. The Sunni have long been more practical and secular, but of course, we disabled the Sunni army in Iraq and, when we could have controlled it, we dismissed it. Neighboring Sunni regimes are feeling a bit naked without it being there. Maybe not such a good idea, eh, Paul Bremer? We’ve done a great job empowering Shi’a Iran–they must have very effective spies at work in our government–we’ve virtually set them up as THE power in their region.
In summary, it’s only a matter of time. It would be nice to hear some Arabs speak out against the madness inspired through religion but based as well in poverty and despotic regimes set up and propped up by–you guessed it!–American, British, French and Italian oil companies.
Would you speak up if the crazies might kill you? Would you really speak up? In spite of that many have spoken out. Brave souls!
Hatred gets stale in th midst of prosperity. Life’s too short.
Why post here Oil, is moveon.org down today?
What??? “It would be nice to hear some Arabs speak out against the madness inspired through religion but based as well in poverty and despotic regimes set up and propped up by–you guessed it!–American, British, French and Italian oil companies. Would you speak up if the crazies might kill you? Would you really speak up?”
Did you miss the point that Arab Americans have not been speaking up??? They wont be killed here if they speak up.
Reviewing many of the comments it appears we have lost a lesson from history. The solution was proposed and researched sometime ago. A foreign people with strange customs, not really American, and dangerous to us. Round all of them up and put them in the interment camps! After all they are all the same!
It was wrong then and it is just as wrong now in the commentary posted. At times I wonder if just being born here really should qualify you to call yourself an American when you espouse ideas more in line with those that we currently are engaged in war.
When you say all (fill in the blank) are (whatever your soap box stand is) you are discriminating against a people or culture. We are not all the same, we are unique. Don’t fall into the trap of discrimination and name calling.
And poverty in muslim countries is not the result of their backward religion, but of Bush’s tax cuts.
Actually, come to think of it, the many doctors like Zawajiri and all the doctors involved in the London bombing attempts, and the engineers like Arafat, and the billsionaires like OBL, are proof that poverty is driving terroism. If on’y we could raise taxes on the rich and raise the minimum wage we could end terroism!
“Did you miss the point that Arab Americans have not been speaking up??? They wont be killed here if they speak up.”
Is this your personal guarantee, Mr. [Blank]? Are you an expert on security in the US Muslim communities?
You didn’t even leave a pseudonym. Do you even speak about about little things that bug you at work or in your city, or in your church? Too risky, I’m sure.
Your response is ridiculous.
I am pleased that you know the personal motivations and personal history of all recent terrorists. Your crystal ball is needed in Washington, now.
Since your sole solution is violence, why aren’t you already getting court-martialed in Iraq or Afghanistan for conduct unbecoming any average American? Not enough guts to send yourself, just your neighbors husbands, wives and kinds! You inspire confidence. I am going to listen to you.
As Stevie Wonder said years ago–When you believe in things that you don’t understand then you suffer. Don’t make us suffer with your ignorance and stupidity wrapped in covert racist arrogance and phony patriotism.
Call Scooter. I think he needs a friend these days.
How do you know my service record, you schmuck? Even so, one need not be an astronaut to critique NASA, and one need not be psychologist to pronounce that liberalism is an emotional problem. You evince it in spades, by the say.
(((I would pull my tin foil hat down over my ears if I were you. Rove might be trying to unlawfully tap your brain waves.)))
I really have no comment on Willy’s last post other than use spell-check before (you) rant.
This case along with many more to follow, I’m sure, is largely a byproduct of the fact that we are presently in a war with Islamic Terrorist. The Muslim faith, governments and/or any other Muslim state sponsored organizations clearly have no monopoly with worldwide terrorism but they ARE currently affecting OUR lives. Thus most Arab Americans, in general, will be looked upon as a potential treat… an unfortunate knee-jerk but largely only human nature response.