Hi all – I just wanted to encourage everyone to read the open letter to Peter Vallone, Jr., posted by North Shore Animal League America and to send him an email encouraging him to reconsider his campaign to ban pit bulls from New York City.
Actually, it\’s not as simple as just staying away. If that were an option, don\’t you think people would do that? How many people do chihuaha\’s actually kill? Why is it that people are ignoring the fact that even though other dogs attack/bite/nip more than pitbulls might, pitbulls KILL more people!!! Just quit being in denial & face the facts! PITBULLS KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY OTHER TYPE OF DOG!!!
Do you think I could have just \”kept away\” from the pitbull that attacked me & my dog? We were just walking down the road, my dog walking on his leash like a perfect gentleman, when the pitbull leaps out of its owner\’s fancy SUV to race down the street, raging like a maniac, & then grabs my dog by the throat before either of us even know what\’s happened. WHAT EXACTLY SHOULD WE HAVE DONE IN THAT SITUATION TO \”KEEP AWAY\” FROM THE PITBULL???
I\’d be so happy if NYC banned pitbulls. I don\’t agree with mass murder of innocent dogs, so I have no problem with grandfathering in all existing pitbulls in the city as long as they are neutered & as long as they are muzzled in public. It\’s not simply nurture and I don\’t know when people are going to realize that. Study some biology, people!!! Stop being so goddamn ignorant & stop refusing to see the truth simply because you want to be idealistic!
I find it extremely hard to believe that of the THREE times I\’ve WITNESSED dog attacks it was just a COINCIDENCE that they were pitbulls. It was a pitbull that attacked my dog & my father in NYC. It was two pitbulls living across the street from my apt at college who attacked people TWICE (once my friend, the second time, some stranger walking down the road) before they were finally seized by animal control. And it was a pitbull most recently that charged me & my dog in the rich, fancy neighborhood of north Broadway in Saratoga Springs. Now, of ALL the hundreds of dogs I encounter every year (and they are usually interested in me since I go everywhere with a service dog), WHY is it that the ones who I have seen attack (or do their best to try to attack) are ALWYAS pitbulls? I\’m not chalking it up to unfortunate coincidence anymore.
And really, why can\’t people just make muzzle laws? They have leash laws (although cops often do a piss-poor job of enforcing them). So what\’s the problem with mandatory muzzling of pitbulls if people don\’t want to ban them? Heck, why not have it mandatory for ALL dogs to be muzzled? I, personally, wouldn\’t care if I had to muzzle my dogs. Why should I? So why haven\’t they thought of this? If some thugs think they\’re gonna be cool & not muzzle their dogs, then arrest them just as you would arrest someone with an unlicensed handgun. Those jerks with their pitbulls are just as bad as if they were walking around with loaded guns pointed at everyone on the street (except that they aren\’t even the ones usually holding the trigger… the dog is holding the trigger at its own discretion).
So arrest them & seize the dog if they won\’t muzzle it. That way, truly law-abiding citizens can keep their pitbulls & be responsible & not have to worry about pitbulls getting a bad rap, and the rest of the public doesn\’t have to worry about being attacked.
To the person who posted the comment \”Why didn\’t anyone ever think of this before\” Referring to muzzle laws…. you said it yourself that police \”do a piss poor job of enforcement\”. Since you know that there currently exists a lack of enforcement, then you can spend as much time as you do on these bulletin boards, while in your angry state of mind, to get the Mayor, and politicians to ENFORCE stricter laws for REGISTERING any and every single animal in NY STAte, and make mandatory neutering, and spaying a law, and micro-chips for every single dog.
Any animal control officer should be able to use a scanner to examine any dog anywhere to see its history, and if an owner does not have a microchip in his dog, there should be a system in place to fine the owner, or take the dog away.
ADMIT that the City is lacking in protecting the public by \”doing a piss poor job of enforcement\” BEFORE you back a ban of any sort.
WHAT THE HECK Makes you THINK for one second that if the police are already \”doing a piss poor job\” in your opinion that they will do ANYTHING to search and destroy once the ban goes into affect?!
Use your engery as I have done to write to the politicians to GET them to enforce and make new laws to register all animals in NY State.
If you took the time to read
\”What pit bulls can teach us about profiling\” By Malcom Gladwell in the Nyew Yorker Magazine.
You\’ll understand ALL the circumstances and details about WHY SF banned Pit Bulls, and WHY politicians hide behind stupid laws to ban specific breeds RATHER than admiting any wrong doing , or taking serious and long lasting steps to protect public safety, and address issues of poverty, and gangs.
READ North Shore Animal League\’s open letter to Peter Vallone Jr. on their website, and Cesar Milan\’s comments to Canadian govt\’ on their ban on pit bulls.
FOLKS admit it, THESE people are armed with more facts, and more first hand knowledge than you!!!!
BAnning the pit bulls breeds will cause a black market that will be fueled by ignorant thugs. Soon after gangs will find another breed to exploit, perhaps the Rotty (again) or the Doberman ( Again) or the Mastiff (again) all bred to guard against humans.
Why are you so hostile towards me? You are asking these questions assuming that I DON\’T hold the city responsible for enforcing the laws & that I don\’t complain to them about it. And you say \”then you can spend as much time as you do on these bulletin boards\” to complain to the city, which is funny since those were the only 2 posts I\’ve made to \”these bulletin boards\” until this very one (& you yourself posted twice…). And I made them one right after the other…
I really don\’t think it would be that difficult for the cops to see people with their dogs unmuzzled since people walk their dogs all over NYC. There are a few areas where I have seen people with their dogs off-leash, but we have LEASH laws for a reason! Imagine how many people would just let their dogs run around off-leash if we didn\’t have a leash law! So when it comes to muzzling, it may not be perfect & there are always people who break the laws, but it would be SOMETHING. You don\’t have to do much searching to see dogs being walked around NYC & it\’d be pretty obvious if one of them wasn\’t wearing a muzzle. So it\’s not really a matter of search and destroy for the most part.
When it comes to registering & spaying/neutering & microchipping, I agree. My dog underwent all of those things. But it\’s a bit more difficult for a cop to SEE that a dog is microchipped, spayed/neutered, & registered than it is for them to SEE that it doesn\’t have a muzzle on. I know that when cops SEE it, they like to cause problems because I\’ve experienced it myself. I actually WASN\’T breaking the law even thought the cop THOUGHT I was (he had no idea there were service dogs besides just seeing eye dogs & tried to throw me & my service dog out of the subway until I set him straight & threatened him with a lawsuit), but it goes to show that if they are told that a certain thing is against the rules, they can and will throw their power around. They like to do that sort of thing.
The point is, why are you so resistant to muzzling? You say it\’s stupid because we have to get the city to actually enforce it & while I agree that they should, saying that a law is hard to enforce (i.e. cops usually don\’t want to bother) does not mean that the law should not exist. Why is it then not an acceptable step before banning pitbulls altogether? If you\’re that opposed to banning, why should you be so offended by a muzzle law? I\’m a dog owner, a SERVICE dog owner, & I\’m not opposed to my dog wearing a muzzle if that was the law.
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Hi all – I just wanted to encourage everyone to read the open letter to Peter Vallone, Jr., posted by North Shore Animal League America and to send him an email encouraging him to reconsider his campaign to ban pit bulls from New York City.
Read the letter: http://www.animal-league.org/pitbull
If you are in the camp that agrees with the ban (or know someone who does) please read this:
The Real Problem with Pit Bulls: http://www.nsalamerica.org/pitbull/realproblem.html
Please pass the information on to others who need to know what\’s really going on. It matters.
Jorin Hawley
North Shore Animal League America
Actually, it\’s not as simple as just staying away. If that were an option, don\’t you think people would do that? How many people do chihuaha\’s actually kill? Why is it that people are ignoring the fact that even though other dogs attack/bite/nip more than pitbulls might, pitbulls KILL more people!!! Just quit being in denial & face the facts! PITBULLS KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY OTHER TYPE OF DOG!!!
Do you think I could have just \”kept away\” from the pitbull that attacked me & my dog? We were just walking down the road, my dog walking on his leash like a perfect gentleman, when the pitbull leaps out of its owner\’s fancy SUV to race down the street, raging like a maniac, & then grabs my dog by the throat before either of us even know what\’s happened. WHAT EXACTLY SHOULD WE HAVE DONE IN THAT SITUATION TO \”KEEP AWAY\” FROM THE PITBULL???
I\’d be so happy if NYC banned pitbulls. I don\’t agree with mass murder of innocent dogs, so I have no problem with grandfathering in all existing pitbulls in the city as long as they are neutered & as long as they are muzzled in public. It\’s not simply nurture and I don\’t know when people are going to realize that. Study some biology, people!!! Stop being so goddamn ignorant & stop refusing to see the truth simply because you want to be idealistic!
I find it extremely hard to believe that of the THREE times I\’ve WITNESSED dog attacks it was just a COINCIDENCE that they were pitbulls. It was a pitbull that attacked my dog & my father in NYC. It was two pitbulls living across the street from my apt at college who attacked people TWICE (once my friend, the second time, some stranger walking down the road) before they were finally seized by animal control. And it was a pitbull most recently that charged me & my dog in the rich, fancy neighborhood of north Broadway in Saratoga Springs. Now, of ALL the hundreds of dogs I encounter every year (and they are usually interested in me since I go everywhere with a service dog), WHY is it that the ones who I have seen attack (or do their best to try to attack) are ALWYAS pitbulls? I\’m not chalking it up to unfortunate coincidence anymore.
And really, why can\’t people just make muzzle laws? They have leash laws (although cops often do a piss-poor job of enforcing them). So what\’s the problem with mandatory muzzling of pitbulls if people don\’t want to ban them? Heck, why not have it mandatory for ALL dogs to be muzzled? I, personally, wouldn\’t care if I had to muzzle my dogs. Why should I? So why haven\’t they thought of this? If some thugs think they\’re gonna be cool & not muzzle their dogs, then arrest them just as you would arrest someone with an unlicensed handgun. Those jerks with their pitbulls are just as bad as if they were walking around with loaded guns pointed at everyone on the street (except that they aren\’t even the ones usually holding the trigger… the dog is holding the trigger at its own discretion).
So arrest them & seize the dog if they won\’t muzzle it. That way, truly law-abiding citizens can keep their pitbulls & be responsible & not have to worry about pitbulls getting a bad rap, and the rest of the public doesn\’t have to worry about being attacked.
To the person who posted the comment \”Why didn\’t anyone ever think of this before\” Referring to muzzle laws…. you said it yourself that police \”do a piss poor job of enforcement\”. Since you know that there currently exists a lack of enforcement, then you can spend as much time as you do on these bulletin boards, while in your angry state of mind, to get the Mayor, and politicians to ENFORCE stricter laws for REGISTERING any and every single animal in NY STAte, and make mandatory neutering, and spaying a law, and micro-chips for every single dog.
Any animal control officer should be able to use a scanner to examine any dog anywhere to see its history, and if an owner does not have a microchip in his dog, there should be a system in place to fine the owner, or take the dog away.
ADMIT that the City is lacking in protecting the public by \”doing a piss poor job of enforcement\” BEFORE you back a ban of any sort.
WHAT THE HECK Makes you THINK for one second that if the police are already \”doing a piss poor job\” in your opinion that they will do ANYTHING to search and destroy once the ban goes into affect?!
Use your engery as I have done to write to the politicians to GET them to enforce and make new laws to register all animals in NY State.
If you took the time to read
\”What pit bulls can teach us about profiling\” By Malcom Gladwell in the Nyew Yorker Magazine.
You\’ll understand ALL the circumstances and details about WHY SF banned Pit Bulls, and WHY politicians hide behind stupid laws to ban specific breeds RATHER than admiting any wrong doing , or taking serious and long lasting steps to protect public safety, and address issues of poverty, and gangs.
READ North Shore Animal League\’s open letter to Peter Vallone Jr. on their website, and Cesar Milan\’s comments to Canadian govt\’ on their ban on pit bulls.
FOLKS admit it, THESE people are armed with more facts, and more first hand knowledge than you!!!!
BAnning the pit bulls breeds will cause a black market that will be fueled by ignorant thugs. Soon after gangs will find another breed to exploit, perhaps the Rotty (again) or the Doberman ( Again) or the Mastiff (again) all bred to guard against humans.
Why are you so hostile towards me? You are asking these questions assuming that I DON\’T hold the city responsible for enforcing the laws & that I don\’t complain to them about it. And you say \”then you can spend as much time as you do on these bulletin boards\” to complain to the city, which is funny since those were the only 2 posts I\’ve made to \”these bulletin boards\” until this very one (& you yourself posted twice…). And I made them one right after the other…
I really don\’t think it would be that difficult for the cops to see people with their dogs unmuzzled since people walk their dogs all over NYC. There are a few areas where I have seen people with their dogs off-leash, but we have LEASH laws for a reason! Imagine how many people would just let their dogs run around off-leash if we didn\’t have a leash law! So when it comes to muzzling, it may not be perfect & there are always people who break the laws, but it would be SOMETHING. You don\’t have to do much searching to see dogs being walked around NYC & it\’d be pretty obvious if one of them wasn\’t wearing a muzzle. So it\’s not really a matter of search and destroy for the most part.
When it comes to registering & spaying/neutering & microchipping, I agree. My dog underwent all of those things. But it\’s a bit more difficult for a cop to SEE that a dog is microchipped, spayed/neutered, & registered than it is for them to SEE that it doesn\’t have a muzzle on. I know that when cops SEE it, they like to cause problems because I\’ve experienced it myself. I actually WASN\’T breaking the law even thought the cop THOUGHT I was (he had no idea there were service dogs besides just seeing eye dogs & tried to throw me & my service dog out of the subway until I set him straight & threatened him with a lawsuit), but it goes to show that if they are told that a certain thing is against the rules, they can and will throw their power around. They like to do that sort of thing.
The point is, why are you so resistant to muzzling? You say it\’s stupid because we have to get the city to actually enforce it & while I agree that they should, saying that a law is hard to enforce (i.e. cops usually don\’t want to bother) does not mean that the law should not exist. Why is it then not an acceptable step before banning pitbulls altogether? If you\’re that opposed to banning, why should you be so offended by a muzzle law? I\’m a dog owner, a SERVICE dog owner, & I\’m not opposed to my dog wearing a muzzle if that was the law.