Have to admit that our history books have not fully informed us US citizens about the genocide in Turkey but we have taken in a bunch of Armenians who have become US citizens. Because they were “fleeing” a Communist regime it is my understanding they also receive some sort of recompense for that as well as entrance into this country. Seems like we have given them a fair amount already so I’m not sure how we come off as the bad guys here. Celebrate the 4th of July, honor the memory of your loved ones, but get on with your current life in a country that allows you to live that life and raise your family. Also, work on lowering the auto loss ratios in towns with heavy Armenian population
The decision of the appeals court is a sham and nothing but an affirmation of the misguided policies of the USA in this matter.
Our own Secretary of State in 1915, Henry Morgenthau, reported the genocide in clear, brutal detail to then President Woodrow Wilson. Hitler himself cited the Armenian Genocide as the reason why the world would “do nothing” about the extermination of the Jews in the 1930’s and 1940’s.
Unfortunately, the Armenians that suffered and died in the first genocide of the 20th century did not have the benefit of TV, video, twitter or other fast moving technology to report and publicize what really happened.
It is time for the USA to stand up for its millions of Armenian-American citizens and the memory of their ancestors who were buried alive, raped, burned and marched their death march from southeastern Armenia to the Del-El-Zor desert in Syria. We Armenians suffered this brutality for being Christians in the Moslem world of the Ottoman Empire.
I love my country, but it is time for the USA to step up and put the screws to the Turkish government, which continues to incur human rights violations and deny the brutality of their predecessors without consequence.
Kenan Kolat, president of the Turkish community in Germany, says in a recent interview in Hurriyet that teaching the Armenian genocide in schools in Brandenburg puts the Turkish students under psychological pressure. He further said that this jeopardizes the internal peace and affects the school performance of German-Turks.
Brandenburg is the only state in Germany where the subject is taught. In 2005 it was dropped for a short time, supposedly due to pressure by Turkish diplomats. Currently the schools teach about various genocides in the 20th century.
This genocide is truly one of history’s great tragedies. The reason that there is no public outrage about it is that politicians and their puppet media outlets did not milk it to their advantage.
As repugnant as Hitler’s genocide was, many forget or don’t know that Stalin had directed the deaths of millions before Hitler began his “solution.”
For a clear picture of the danger that governments pose, read the book “Death by Government.”
first of all, did many of these folks get an insurance policy prior to the fall of the empire? so where does the statue of limitations fall on this? i am suprised that the insurance at that time did not have any exclusions due to war. the fact that the NY life insurance paid anything is a worthy of their compassion. i believe in compassion, but did it have to take 90 plus years to get this resolved? remember too that this is US FEDERAL COURT and not a WORLD COURT that made this decision. if it is a company based outside of the US, they would not have to comply with any US LAW, unless the contract was written for them while in the US, of which i don’t think it was.
Adam Schiff was in the CA State Legislature when he sponsored the original legislation to permit Armenians access to our court system. It is my hope that as a US Congressman he learns that disputes of this nature are to be addressed in the international court, the Hague. His response to this ruling is appalling. He had to know the court had no option but to rule this way…
Wudchuck,cmc jr, shocked, by your reasoning, then the Jews whose families died in concentration camps during WWII should not have been able to sue for recovery. Are you saying that should not have been permitted either?
i think you are missing the point. this is not an american federal court issue. this should be an international court issue. we don’t condone this kind of behavior out of any country. but to have just one country believe in the insurance to be paid just because they are decendents. first of all, that family had to have gotten life insurance to get any repayment. that needed to be purchased before the fact of the incident, not afterwards. most insurance companies have exclusions due to war. these folks needs to sue the country that caused the infliction, whether they get money or not is a question. the lawyer will either way it plays out.
Wudchuck, I am well aware of the “War” exclusion contained in life insurance policies; the question is, when was is introduced as a standard exclusion? And if in fact it existed during WWI, then why would the beneficiaries of policies issued during WWII be able to collect? I think you are missing the point – if the law in our country permits one group to sue for reparations, then in fact all groups sharing the same fact group should be permitted to sue.
Also, the following is a direct quote from this article “The agreements brought about by the U.S. government and before U.S. judges since August 1998, when the first settlement took place, reached by 2001 a figure of somewhere between $8-$11 billion, depending on the method of calculation.”
Interesting, but the US Govt and US Judges brought about the settlement. So now, tell me how the “international court” has a role in this matter?
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Have to admit that our history books have not fully informed us US citizens about the genocide in Turkey but we have taken in a bunch of Armenians who have become US citizens. Because they were “fleeing” a Communist regime it is my understanding they also receive some sort of recompense for that as well as entrance into this country. Seems like we have given them a fair amount already so I’m not sure how we come off as the bad guys here. Celebrate the 4th of July, honor the memory of your loved ones, but get on with your current life in a country that allows you to live that life and raise your family. Also, work on lowering the auto loss ratios in towns with heavy Armenian population
The decision of the appeals court is a sham and nothing but an affirmation of the misguided policies of the USA in this matter.
Our own Secretary of State in 1915, Henry Morgenthau, reported the genocide in clear, brutal detail to then President Woodrow Wilson. Hitler himself cited the Armenian Genocide as the reason why the world would “do nothing” about the extermination of the Jews in the 1930’s and 1940’s.
Unfortunately, the Armenians that suffered and died in the first genocide of the 20th century did not have the benefit of TV, video, twitter or other fast moving technology to report and publicize what really happened.
It is time for the USA to stand up for its millions of Armenian-American citizens and the memory of their ancestors who were buried alive, raped, burned and marched their death march from southeastern Armenia to the Del-El-Zor desert in Syria. We Armenians suffered this brutality for being Christians in the Moslem world of the Ottoman Empire.
I love my country, but it is time for the USA to step up and put the screws to the Turkish government, which continues to incur human rights violations and deny the brutality of their predecessors without consequence.
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2009/08/brandenburg-teaching-armenian-genocide.html
Kenan Kolat, president of the Turkish community in Germany, says in a recent interview in Hurriyet that teaching the Armenian genocide in schools in Brandenburg puts the Turkish students under psychological pressure. He further said that this jeopardizes the internal peace and affects the school performance of German-Turks.
Brandenburg is the only state in Germany where the subject is taught. In 2005 it was dropped for a short time, supposedly due to pressure by Turkish diplomats. Currently the schools teach about various genocides in the 20th century.
This genocide is truly one of history’s great tragedies. The reason that there is no public outrage about it is that politicians and their puppet media outlets did not milk it to their advantage.
As repugnant as Hitler’s genocide was, many forget or don’t know that Stalin had directed the deaths of millions before Hitler began his “solution.”
For a clear picture of the danger that governments pose, read the book “Death by Government.”
–For a clear picture of the danger that governments pose, read the book “Death by Government.”–
Thanks for that. Allow me to recommend, “Liberal Fascism,” by Jonah Goldberg.
first of all, did many of these folks get an insurance policy prior to the fall of the empire? so where does the statue of limitations fall on this? i am suprised that the insurance at that time did not have any exclusions due to war. the fact that the NY life insurance paid anything is a worthy of their compassion. i believe in compassion, but did it have to take 90 plus years to get this resolved? remember too that this is US FEDERAL COURT and not a WORLD COURT that made this decision. if it is a company based outside of the US, they would not have to comply with any US LAW, unless the contract was written for them while in the US, of which i don’t think it was.
Adam Schiff was in the CA State Legislature when he sponsored the original legislation to permit Armenians access to our court system. It is my hope that as a US Congressman he learns that disputes of this nature are to be addressed in the international court, the Hague. His response to this ruling is appalling. He had to know the court had no option but to rule this way…
Politicians…they play to the crowd…
Wudchuck,cmc jr, shocked, by your reasoning, then the Jews whose families died in concentration camps during WWII should not have been able to sue for recovery. Are you saying that should not have been permitted either?
i think you are missing the point. this is not an american federal court issue. this should be an international court issue. we don’t condone this kind of behavior out of any country. but to have just one country believe in the insurance to be paid just because they are decendents. first of all, that family had to have gotten life insurance to get any repayment. that needed to be purchased before the fact of the incident, not afterwards. most insurance companies have exclusions due to war. these folks needs to sue the country that caused the infliction, whether they get money or not is a question. the lawyer will either way it plays out.
Wudchuck, I am well aware of the “War” exclusion contained in life insurance policies; the question is, when was is introduced as a standard exclusion? And if in fact it existed during WWI, then why would the beneficiaries of policies issued during WWII be able to collect? I think you are missing the point – if the law in our country permits one group to sue for reparations, then in fact all groups sharing the same fact group should be permitted to sue.
Please go to the following link: http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=3&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=625&PID=863&IID=1076&TTL=Suing_Hitler's_Willing_Business_Partners:_American_Justice_and_Holocaust_Morality
Also, the following is a direct quote from this article “The agreements brought about by the U.S. government and before U.S. judges since August 1998, when the first settlement took place, reached by 2001 a figure of somewhere between $8-$11 billion, depending on the method of calculation.”
Interesting, but the US Govt and US Judges brought about the settlement. So now, tell me how the “international court” has a role in this matter?