Not blaming the protesters for the death or failure to return. Just trying to point to Hawaii Duke that he needed to read the article again, and that no one knows what was going on in her mind when she failed to return. My point was that it was just as plausible for her to be afraid to return due to possible protestors (I don’t know that there really were any) as it was that she was embarrassed or ashamed. Again, no one knows what was going on in her mind or why she did not go back. She had her own reasons, and unfortunately they led to her death.
Just out of idle curiosity, why in the world would you have posted this article? To foster an insurance-related discussion amongst professionals with an eye towards educating or enlightening our field?
Get real. The only thing these comment boards foster on such hot topics are polarizing diatribes on ‘human interest’ subjects. Look at the recent tripe regarding the unfortunate theme park rider, or two weeks ago about the Supreme Court’s decision about unfair workplace habits and EPLI lawsuits.
Each topic COULD have been marginally interesting as they reflect upon our field, but they only allow the participants an opportunity to either Waive the Flag, Support a Candidate or Thump the Bible.
Why not try something a little different – and not just yank stuff off the news wires. Select topics that deal more closely with relevance to our industry, and eliminate those items that can only get us off the track. Or, suggest we all focus a little better and pose a Question of the Day – on this article, it could have been:
“Where do YOU see the possible liability arise for any of the participants? Is it assumed, express or implied? When does a mailing notice suffice as an attempt to contact a patient?”
I am going back to work. Maybe we should reopen your site – and allow our opinions to flow – at later dates.
This should be a forum on the validity of the suit, were proper procedures followed, where appropriate blame should be placed, etc.
Instead this had turned into a Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice debate that would be better left for Sunday Services.
I don’t know who I am more ashamed of. IJ for allow these posts to be made or you all for not being professional enough to debate the validity of the suit.
I think this started out about frivilous lawsuits. When an adult chooses to undertake a medical procedure then fails to follow the doctors instructions we don’t usually sue the doctor. As an adult she chose to obtain a legal medical procedure. It appears more men get emotional over this subject than women. They cannot believe that any woman would chose to reject the results of their unprotected sex. If you would check the facts you would find that Planned Parenthood makes more money selling “contraceptives” than performing abortions. Their mission was to provide women a way to control the size of their family via birth control. Although I ended up owning an insurance agency my younger sister is the executive director of 2 PP offices and my oler sister as an adoption counselor who works at PP to counsel women not interested in abortions. PP provides health care and vasectomies … Vote Pro-Choice!
The question that is not to be answered in this is lawsuit is whether abortion is right or wrong. The question will be whether the clinic acted responsibly in trying to notify and follow up with the claimant about the necessity of removing the medical devices/equipment/tools, and whether there was informed consent on what could happen before they were ever inserted. There will be many other issues, including why the decedent would not allow a pelvic exam at the emergency room, if there were other ways the clinic tried to notify the decedent and if there were any other potential causes of TSS. If the rods had been removed at the emergency room when she first went there, there would have been a much better chance of surviving TSS than when the infection became rampant and caused organ failure.
Mandatory sterilization. Welcome to the United States of China.
Personal responsibility is dead. Just hire a lawyer and you can say they never told me to come back, should have been more aggressive, etc etc. This one should go to court.
I am a single female, no kids…blah blah…and i’m all for the sterilization bit, but well, I don’t know about forced sterilization…but I think it’s a good discussion (and yes, i’m aware it has nothing to do with this site and this article). A friend of mine once said that if a person is willing to be sterilized, they should get tax breaks much like a person with kids gets a tax break. and frankly, I agree.
and as far as making abortions illegal goes…well…i guarantee you, whether or not you make it legal, women will find a way to get it done. What do you think they did BEFORE?
(and i’m one of those fun folks that is personally pro-life, but politically pro-choice)
(but then again, i’m a BIG fan of protected sex….TMI!!!)
Compman, Please keep personal bias to yourself. What makes you so certain that this young woman was repeating family mistakes? That is very elitist of you. Perhaps you aren’t aware but 45% of all American woman have an abortion by the age of 40… not immigrants, American women. Many husbands never know…. please don’t assume this family is on welfare.. if this was not her first abortion then she would have been well aware of the importance of the return visit… thank god for RU486.
I would be willing to take that bet!. Sorry, but I have a real problem with people who treat unborn babies like a disease. Take a pill and get rid of it. How novel.. I am not a pro-life freak, it just saddens me to see so many women out there treat an abortion as if it is no different than having there teeth cleaned. Got to do it every six months!.
And, one more thing. I am entitled to my opinion so don’t go lecturing me on what I can say or not say. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. You don’t see me telling anybody else in this column not to write what they think. You are the typical liberal, free speech for all as long it is the same speech you are giving. What a hypocrit.
Its unfortunate that this case revolves around such a polarizing issue, because its actually kind of interesting. How did the clinic convey the importance of returning ? Was there a language issue, a form signed, etc ?
The mother says she asked for a pelvic exam but then denied permission ? That’s a pretty crucial incongruity there. Its likely that if a complete exam was done then ( 10 days before she died ) she wouldn’t have died. If she was “confused and disoriented” as the mom says, should she have been given the choice regarding the pelvic exam ? Should ( or did ) the hospital have caught the infection and given aggressive antibiotics anyway, or is that not recomended when the patient is pregnant ? The article also makes it sound like Planned Parenthood is the main target of the suit. I think the blame lies with the victim here, but I am surprised the suit isn’t targeted at the Hospital and the doctors. They seem to be more involved in the death, they probably have deeper pockets, and a less dedicated and passionate legal team.
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Not blaming the protesters for the death or failure to return. Just trying to point to Hawaii Duke that he needed to read the article again, and that no one knows what was going on in her mind when she failed to return. My point was that it was just as plausible for her to be afraid to return due to possible protestors (I don’t know that there really were any) as it was that she was embarrassed or ashamed. Again, no one knows what was going on in her mind or why she did not go back. She had her own reasons, and unfortunately they led to her death.
Just out of idle curiosity, why in the world would you have posted this article? To foster an insurance-related discussion amongst professionals with an eye towards educating or enlightening our field?
Get real. The only thing these comment boards foster on such hot topics are polarizing diatribes on ‘human interest’ subjects. Look at the recent tripe regarding the unfortunate theme park rider, or two weeks ago about the Supreme Court’s decision about unfair workplace habits and EPLI lawsuits.
Each topic COULD have been marginally interesting as they reflect upon our field, but they only allow the participants an opportunity to either Waive the Flag, Support a Candidate or Thump the Bible.
Why not try something a little different – and not just yank stuff off the news wires. Select topics that deal more closely with relevance to our industry, and eliminate those items that can only get us off the track. Or, suggest we all focus a little better and pose a Question of the Day – on this article, it could have been:
“Where do YOU see the possible liability arise for any of the participants? Is it assumed, express or implied? When does a mailing notice suffice as an attempt to contact a patient?”
I am going back to work. Maybe we should reopen your site – and allow our opinions to flow – at later dates.
This should be a forum on the validity of the suit, were proper procedures followed, where appropriate blame should be placed, etc.
Instead this had turned into a Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice debate that would be better left for Sunday Services.
I don’t know who I am more ashamed of. IJ for allow these posts to be made or you all for not being professional enough to debate the validity of the suit.
I think this started out about frivilous lawsuits. When an adult chooses to undertake a medical procedure then fails to follow the doctors instructions we don’t usually sue the doctor. As an adult she chose to obtain a legal medical procedure. It appears more men get emotional over this subject than women. They cannot believe that any woman would chose to reject the results of their unprotected sex. If you would check the facts you would find that Planned Parenthood makes more money selling “contraceptives” than performing abortions. Their mission was to provide women a way to control the size of their family via birth control. Although I ended up owning an insurance agency my younger sister is the executive director of 2 PP offices and my oler sister as an adoption counselor who works at PP to counsel women not interested in abortions. PP provides health care and vasectomies … Vote Pro-Choice!
The question that is not to be answered in this is lawsuit is whether abortion is right or wrong. The question will be whether the clinic acted responsibly in trying to notify and follow up with the claimant about the necessity of removing the medical devices/equipment/tools, and whether there was informed consent on what could happen before they were ever inserted. There will be many other issues, including why the decedent would not allow a pelvic exam at the emergency room, if there were other ways the clinic tried to notify the decedent and if there were any other potential causes of TSS. If the rods had been removed at the emergency room when she first went there, there would have been a much better chance of surviving TSS than when the infection became rampant and caused organ failure.
Mandatory sterilization. Welcome to the United States of China.
Personal responsibility is dead. Just hire a lawyer and you can say they never told me to come back, should have been more aggressive, etc etc. This one should go to court.
I am a single female, no kids…blah blah…and i’m all for the sterilization bit, but well, I don’t know about forced sterilization…but I think it’s a good discussion (and yes, i’m aware it has nothing to do with this site and this article). A friend of mine once said that if a person is willing to be sterilized, they should get tax breaks much like a person with kids gets a tax break. and frankly, I agree.
and as far as making abortions illegal goes…well…i guarantee you, whether or not you make it legal, women will find a way to get it done. What do you think they did BEFORE?
(and i’m one of those fun folks that is personally pro-life, but politically pro-choice)
(but then again, i’m a BIG fan of protected sex….TMI!!!)
Compman, Please keep personal bias to yourself. What makes you so certain that this young woman was repeating family mistakes? That is very elitist of you. Perhaps you aren’t aware but 45% of all American woman have an abortion by the age of 40… not immigrants, American women. Many husbands never know…. please don’t assume this family is on welfare.. if this was not her first abortion then she would have been well aware of the importance of the return visit… thank god for RU486.
I would be willing to take that bet!. Sorry, but I have a real problem with people who treat unborn babies like a disease. Take a pill and get rid of it. How novel.. I am not a pro-life freak, it just saddens me to see so many women out there treat an abortion as if it is no different than having there teeth cleaned. Got to do it every six months!.
And, one more thing. I am entitled to my opinion so don’t go lecturing me on what I can say or not say. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. You don’t see me telling anybody else in this column not to write what they think. You are the typical liberal, free speech for all as long it is the same speech you are giving. What a hypocrit.
Its unfortunate that this case revolves around such a polarizing issue, because its actually kind of interesting. How did the clinic convey the importance of returning ? Was there a language issue, a form signed, etc ?
The mother says she asked for a pelvic exam but then denied permission ? That’s a pretty crucial incongruity there. Its likely that if a complete exam was done then ( 10 days before she died ) she wouldn’t have died. If she was “confused and disoriented” as the mom says, should she have been given the choice regarding the pelvic exam ? Should ( or did ) the hospital have caught the infection and given aggressive antibiotics anyway, or is that not recomended when the patient is pregnant ? The article also makes it sound like Planned Parenthood is the main target of the suit. I think the blame lies with the victim here, but I am surprised the suit isn’t targeted at the Hospital and the doctors. They seem to be more involved in the death, they probably have deeper pockets, and a less dedicated and passionate legal team.