Seems to me bar owner admits to liability responsibility. She states she has paid for taxi fares for over-served patrons before and personally has driven other drunken customers home……oversight neglect on her/employee. Pay-up liquor liability policy (or out-of-pocket, if she was so stupid not to have her liquor exposure covered).
you sound more like an attorney instead of a redneck. the article said she provides rides for drunk patrons not “over-served”. The old f*rt could have driven his turbo powered rascal there drunk, who knows. The article has flaws anyway, it says he got a ticket for “walking” out in traffic. was he walking or cruising ??
I don’t think that is admission of guilt on the part of the bar owner. It shows she does not want her patrons to drive drunk. I’m sure she takes some responsibility since she serves alcohol, but at some point the individual must take full responsibility for being stupid and getting in a vehicle or on a motor scooter and driving under the influence of alcohol. How do we know this 73 year old moron decided not to accept a ride home from the bar? Why is a 73 yr old driving a two wheeled motorized bike and not a four wheeled golf cart? Does this man suffer from dimensia? has he had a knee or hip replacement that could cause him to lose his balance? At 73, does he have heart disease, why was he out by himself? Does he have cataracts that impare his ability to see clearly? We know he has some brain damage, since he sought an attorney and he was too retarded to stop drinking on his own.
“Where the fault lies” isn’t much of a factor in our pathetically flawed legal system. The only reason there are Dramm Shop Acts is to provide deep pockets for people who are negligent enough to get themselves drunk and injure/kill themselves and others. We all know drunks who give no outward signs of intoxication so charging bar owners with identifying them is absurd. Also, once somebody is obviously drunk, it’s too late. Even if bartenders stop serving them….it’s too late. We all know where the fault/negligence lies….with the individual. In our permissive society of today, very few people have the integrity to accept responsibility for anything.
so you’ve been trying to find me… well, let’s see… i been chucking wood into the river and that cottage owner on his 4-wheeler stopped to hollar at me! (LOL!)
truthfully, sounds like the bar owner is concerned about her patrons that she does provide service for them when they had too much. as far as the gentleman of 73 years of age, he was riding his motorized scooter (handicap scooter) and would in fact get a ticket for walking into the middle of the road because of the vehicle he was riding. the fact the he was riding his vehicle in the middle of the road, makes me wonder where his logic was. we know that these vehicles in most cases should be on a sidewalk or at least ridden like a bicycle on the right side of the road if no sidewalk.
the ultimate question obviously is not the attorney who is making the lawsuit since he is only looking for $15,000, but where does one’s own personal responsiblity lie? the bar will no know who or who does not have a vehicle or is a driver of a party of drinkers. fact that the bar has in the past help those who had too much. not all bartenders can tell a limit with folks. what was his BAC at the time of the incident or did the police not take one? if not, then definately the bar will not be liable to begin with. i think the old man will be out of money for his non-thinking maneuvers.
Appears to be quite a stir-up concerning one our beloved senior citizen and his responsibility to our society. First, I agree the article has not totally informative relating to the accounting of specific details. Next, the $15,000 is only for meeting a threshold to get the case to a higher court. Damages could be awarded in the millions, for both actual and punitive (send message to bar owners not to serve or over-serve drunks). Thirdly, betcha this gentleman was known to the establishement and had ridden his scooter there many times. Also, when a barkeep puts “Open” sign on shingle this also means barkeep puts assets “Open” and should have liquor liability coverage to protect his ***….
Why is it that no one is responsible for their own actions anymore? We have turned into the “it’s all someone else’s fault” society. That’s why we have “Caution – Contents are Hot” labels on coffee cups now, because some idiots are allowed to breed.
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Seems to me bar owner admits to liability responsibility. She states she has paid for taxi fares for over-served patrons before and personally has driven other drunken customers home……oversight neglect on her/employee. Pay-up liquor liability policy (or out-of-pocket, if she was so stupid not to have her liquor exposure covered).
I agree, Gray Cat, how is it that he was riding his scooter, but got a citation for walking in front of a car? He must’ve REALLY been soused!!
you sound more like an attorney instead of a redneck. the article said she provides rides for drunk patrons not “over-served”. The old f*rt could have driven his turbo powered rascal there drunk, who knows. The article has flaws anyway, it says he got a ticket for “walking” out in traffic. was he walking or cruising ??
I don’t think that is admission of guilt on the part of the bar owner. It shows she does not want her patrons to drive drunk. I’m sure she takes some responsibility since she serves alcohol, but at some point the individual must take full responsibility for being stupid and getting in a vehicle or on a motor scooter and driving under the influence of alcohol. How do we know this 73 year old moron decided not to accept a ride home from the bar? Why is a 73 yr old driving a two wheeled motorized bike and not a four wheeled golf cart? Does this man suffer from dimensia? has he had a knee or hip replacement that could cause him to lose his balance? At 73, does he have heart disease, why was he out by himself? Does he have cataracts that impare his ability to see clearly? We know he has some brain damage, since he sought an attorney and he was too retarded to stop drinking on his own.
“Where the fault lies” isn’t much of a factor in our pathetically flawed legal system. The only reason there are Dramm Shop Acts is to provide deep pockets for people who are negligent enough to get themselves drunk and injure/kill themselves and others. We all know drunks who give no outward signs of intoxication so charging bar owners with identifying them is absurd. Also, once somebody is obviously drunk, it’s too late. Even if bartenders stop serving them….it’s too late. We all know where the fault/negligence lies….with the individual. In our permissive society of today, very few people have the integrity to accept responsibility for anything.
Me thinks he’s hiding somewhere in Virginia.
so you’ve been trying to find me… well, let’s see… i been chucking wood into the river and that cottage owner on his 4-wheeler stopped to hollar at me! (LOL!)
truthfully, sounds like the bar owner is concerned about her patrons that she does provide service for them when they had too much. as far as the gentleman of 73 years of age, he was riding his motorized scooter (handicap scooter) and would in fact get a ticket for walking into the middle of the road because of the vehicle he was riding. the fact the he was riding his vehicle in the middle of the road, makes me wonder where his logic was. we know that these vehicles in most cases should be on a sidewalk or at least ridden like a bicycle on the right side of the road if no sidewalk.
the ultimate question obviously is not the attorney who is making the lawsuit since he is only looking for $15,000, but where does one’s own personal responsiblity lie? the bar will no know who or who does not have a vehicle or is a driver of a party of drinkers. fact that the bar has in the past help those who had too much. not all bartenders can tell a limit with folks. what was his BAC at the time of the incident or did the police not take one? if not, then definately the bar will not be liable to begin with. i think the old man will be out of money for his non-thinking maneuvers.
Appears to be quite a stir-up concerning one our beloved senior citizen and his responsibility to our society. First, I agree the article has not totally informative relating to the accounting of specific details. Next, the $15,000 is only for meeting a threshold to get the case to a higher court. Damages could be awarded in the millions, for both actual and punitive (send message to bar owners not to serve or over-serve drunks). Thirdly, betcha this gentleman was known to the establishement and had ridden his scooter there many times. Also, when a barkeep puts “Open” sign on shingle this also means barkeep puts assets “Open” and should have liquor liability coverage to protect his ***….
Why is it that no one is responsible for their own actions anymore? We have turned into the “it’s all someone else’s fault” society. That’s why we have “Caution – Contents are Hot” labels on coffee cups now, because some idiots are allowed to breed.
How did this guy not get a DUI?