As someone who is alive because I was wearing a helmet, I disagree with your comments on the bill Harley, but the comments on cell phones are right on. I think that’s a far bigger issue than helmets. But it is being addressed in many states.
All I’m sayin’ is that it should still be our choice as Adults (18+)to make, not a mandate by the big brother government.
They already have thier hands too deep into our everyday lives as it is, much more so than what our founding fathers ever envisioned.
Im glad you were wearin’ yours when you went down and I ALWAYS wear mine but still support rider choice.
Unless we the people wish to have the Gov’t mandate similar control over ALL types of other “risky” behavior the Gov’t and those trying to push such legislation should butt out and let us live our lives in peace!
Operating a motor vehicle is not a right, it is a privilege. I wear a helmet even though I’m not required to do so by the government, however, if it were a requirement in order to operate my vehicle, I’d comply. Driving is not a God-given “right”, it is a privilege that you can obtain.
…fine, then lets mandate all other “privileges” such as cell phone use while driving, smoking in the car, eating and drinking for that matter, listening to the radio etc…these can all be contributory towards an accident.
Im so sick of that privilege arguement. For many years Professionals within the criminal justice System have acted upon the belief that traveling by motor vehicle upon the roadway was a privilege that was gained by a citizen only after approval by their respective state government in the form of the issuance of a permit or license to that individual. Legislators, police officers and court officials are becoming aware that there are now court decisions that prove the fallacy of the legal opinion that”driving is a privilege and therefore requires government approval, i.e. a license”. An example of just 1 case is:
Case 1: “Even the legislature has no power to deny to a citizen the right to travel upon the highway and transport his property in the ordinary course of his business or pleasure, though this right may be regulated in accordance with the public interest and convenience. – Chicago Motor Coach v Chicago 169 NE 22
(“Regulated” here means traffic safety enforcement, stop lights, signs, etc. NOT a privilege that requires permission i.e.- licensing, mandatory insurance, vehicle registration, etc.)
So you can check that “privilege” talk at the door. For once, more and more case law is finally supporting our RIGHT to drive/ride. Surprising, but true.
Well, as the philosopher says, you can’t fix stupid. People in cars are surrounded by the car. Your head is out in the open. You want to be the great adventurer, fine, but pay your own costs. If people ride without helmets, exclude medical costs. Easy to prove, look for the broken skulls. There’s a choice for you.
I already do pay for any medical treatment that I may need. I pay for my health insurance and my bike insurance on time, each month, and my tax dollars even pay the insurance of those on government assistance. Thank you very much! So good luck trying to exclude coverage for that which I pay a premium for. And you’re calling ME stupid.
So since we are talking about exclusions, lets exclude ANY medical coverage for those who smoke (sorry, no cancer treatments either), those who drink (bad liver, too bad), those who skydive or scuba dive (b/c according to you that could be “stupid behavior”). Oh and exclude coverge from homeowners who build houses on cliffs (mudslide hazzard) or near the ocean front (hello hurricanes). How far do we go? And again, if you are yelling at the kids, smoking, cell phone talking in the car you multiply the risk of an accident. Just because you have a car around you doesnt give you the RIGHT to cause injury to someone else. So DENY the at fault driver any coverage too!
You may have overlooked this in your rant, but I didn’t call you stupid. You wear your helmet. I understand your position, I simply don’t agree with it. None of us have perfect freedom to do as we please. You will certainly object to that statement, but it’s a fact. I simply believe that a head fully exposed to the road with no protection at all is far more likely to sustain long term critical damage than any of those other things you name. Fight the law since that’s your belief, but the majority (or the loudest minority) will rule in these situations. Another situation where people have valid reasons for disagreement. I can’t agree with your position and you can’t agree with mine. And again, I wasn’t calling you stupid.
A non biased study was done by the University of North Carolina (I think you can still google) basically they found no significant difference in severity of injuries between helmeted and unhelmeted riders. By Federal law (FMVSS 218)helmets have to be able to pass a test. DOT does not test nor certify. The DOT emblem is put on by the mfg stating they BELIEVE the helmet will pass. The NHTSA randomly tests helmets (under FMVSS218) approx 35% fail the min test (you can google the test results) One of the test requirements is to see if the helmet can pass a simulated 13 mph collision. Helmets just can not lessen the impact/damage to your brain over 13 MPH. Are they a safety item? Yes. Just like eye protection, boots, gloves, leather and so on. Our government promotes accident survival (which is tough to do on a bike when getting smacked by a car) I promote accident avoidance, such as training; Which finally the Fed government is starting to agree with. Send me the list of helmets that will save my life and I will be happy to wear one.
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As someone who is alive because I was wearing a helmet, I disagree with your comments on the bill Harley, but the comments on cell phones are right on. I think that’s a far bigger issue than helmets. But it is being addressed in many states.
All I’m sayin’ is that it should still be our choice as Adults (18+)to make, not a mandate by the big brother government.
They already have thier hands too deep into our everyday lives as it is, much more so than what our founding fathers ever envisioned.
Im glad you were wearin’ yours when you went down and I ALWAYS wear mine but still support rider choice.
Unless we the people wish to have the Gov’t mandate similar control over ALL types of other “risky” behavior the Gov’t and those trying to push such legislation should butt out and let us live our lives in peace!
Operating a motor vehicle is not a right, it is a privilege. I wear a helmet even though I’m not required to do so by the government, however, if it were a requirement in order to operate my vehicle, I’d comply. Driving is not a God-given “right”, it is a privilege that you can obtain.
…fine, then lets mandate all other “privileges” such as cell phone use while driving, smoking in the car, eating and drinking for that matter, listening to the radio etc…these can all be contributory towards an accident.
Im so sick of that privilege arguement. For many years Professionals within the criminal justice System have acted upon the belief that traveling by motor vehicle upon the roadway was a privilege that was gained by a citizen only after approval by their respective state government in the form of the issuance of a permit or license to that individual. Legislators, police officers and court officials are becoming aware that there are now court decisions that prove the fallacy of the legal opinion that”driving is a privilege and therefore requires government approval, i.e. a license”. An example of just 1 case is:
Case 1: “Even the legislature has no power to deny to a citizen the right to travel upon the highway and transport his property in the ordinary course of his business or pleasure, though this right may be regulated in accordance with the public interest and convenience. – Chicago Motor Coach v Chicago 169 NE 22
(“Regulated” here means traffic safety enforcement, stop lights, signs, etc. NOT a privilege that requires permission i.e.- licensing, mandatory insurance, vehicle registration, etc.)
So you can check that “privilege” talk at the door. For once, more and more case law is finally supporting our RIGHT to drive/ride. Surprising, but true.
Well, as the philosopher says, you can’t fix stupid. People in cars are surrounded by the car. Your head is out in the open. You want to be the great adventurer, fine, but pay your own costs. If people ride without helmets, exclude medical costs. Easy to prove, look for the broken skulls. There’s a choice for you.
I already do pay for any medical treatment that I may need. I pay for my health insurance and my bike insurance on time, each month, and my tax dollars even pay the insurance of those on government assistance. Thank you very much! So good luck trying to exclude coverage for that which I pay a premium for. And you’re calling ME stupid.
So since we are talking about exclusions, lets exclude ANY medical coverage for those who smoke (sorry, no cancer treatments either), those who drink (bad liver, too bad), those who skydive or scuba dive (b/c according to you that could be “stupid behavior”). Oh and exclude coverge from homeowners who build houses on cliffs (mudslide hazzard) or near the ocean front (hello hurricanes). How far do we go? And again, if you are yelling at the kids, smoking, cell phone talking in the car you multiply the risk of an accident. Just because you have a car around you doesnt give you the RIGHT to cause injury to someone else. So DENY the at fault driver any coverage too!
You may have overlooked this in your rant, but I didn’t call you stupid. You wear your helmet. I understand your position, I simply don’t agree with it. None of us have perfect freedom to do as we please. You will certainly object to that statement, but it’s a fact. I simply believe that a head fully exposed to the road with no protection at all is far more likely to sustain long term critical damage than any of those other things you name. Fight the law since that’s your belief, but the majority (or the loudest minority) will rule in these situations. Another situation where people have valid reasons for disagreement. I can’t agree with your position and you can’t agree with mine. And again, I wasn’t calling you stupid.
Fair enough, we can just agree to disagree.
+1 on the loudest minority ruling most situations.
A non biased study was done by the University of North Carolina (I think you can still google) basically they found no significant difference in severity of injuries between helmeted and unhelmeted riders. By Federal law (FMVSS 218)helmets have to be able to pass a test. DOT does not test nor certify. The DOT emblem is put on by the mfg stating they BELIEVE the helmet will pass. The NHTSA randomly tests helmets (under FMVSS218) approx 35% fail the min test (you can google the test results) One of the test requirements is to see if the helmet can pass a simulated 13 mph collision. Helmets just can not lessen the impact/damage to your brain over 13 MPH. Are they a safety item? Yes. Just like eye protection, boots, gloves, leather and so on. Our government promotes accident survival (which is tough to do on a bike when getting smacked by a car) I promote accident avoidance, such as training; Which finally the Fed government is starting to agree with. Send me the list of helmets that will save my life and I will be happy to wear one.