i can definately see high school, whereas kids will get a permit and license. this needs to be taught in conjuction with a drivers education course, just a like a defensive driver course. definately need to know consequences. i like the idea of how it affects everyone – it might shed some light or open some eyes! but middle school, is way too young!
Education on the evils of stealing a car is nice, but that isn’t the answer that will make a significant impact on the problem. People steal cars because it’s an easy way to make fast money. Our leftist courts won’t strengthen the penalty and car thiefs are usually back on the street within 8 hours. Until and unless prospective thieves perceive a real consequence, nothing will change. Besides that, car theft is good for the economy. Think of all who belly up to the trough. The economically depressed have an income source, salvage yards and parts dealers sell parts to repair recovered vehicles, rental agencies provide temporary substitute vehicles, body repair shops, insurance companies, the theft bureau, the police, towing companies, etc. America is a great place.
How about getting the cops who stole cars during Katrina? Some will scream that this is racially biased. How about Louisiana concentrating on getting ALL of their school systems on par with the rest of the country though the basic Rs (readin’, ritin’ and rithmetic), especially New Orleans schools. I could care less about car theft and I care more about a great education and less teen pregnancy and drug use. This program is pretty hypocritical when you can drive with open containers and pick up a daquiri on every corner. People are too drunk to steal the cars in the first place!
Wudchuck – you would be amazed what is taught in some schools. 15 years ago when I was in college I worked as a counselor at elementary, middle and high schools for my internship and I had the job to teach and educate all students (from 1st grade to 12th) about the dangers of gun, alcohol, drug, tobacco abuse and to stay away from gangs, stay in school, etc. Do you know how weird it was talking to 3rd graders about the dangers of drugs, alcohol and guns?
As for the S.F. comment, why are you always race-baiting on this forum? Can’t you go to another fourm to do that and let the rest of us talk about insurance?
i agree. parents nowdays, don’t care! they allow their kids to be disrepectful, listen to rap music where every other word is either unhearable or ?#$#$ words. they allow the kids to wear the britches half down showing their underwear. PARENTS – what are they doing? allowing kids to be and do whatever they want?! i think we need to teach the parents and kids for being wrong. put them both in jail for bad behavior or for that matter both in detention. mandatory for parents to be in detention just so that the child will not graduate otherwise. punishment is gone out the window — and they want the government to do it?! i don’t think it’s the gov’t’s place to do that. we just need to start collecting on this bad behavior and put it in its place. make parent responsible and make the child just as responsible. i remember the days when my mother used to make me write 1000 times i will not do xxxxxxx. ground me for week at a time. these days kids think they need to have a phone, tv and other things in their room. it’s like we have to owe them things, when in reality, we never had those things nor needed them. same goes for computers. i remember seeing a girl in college sue her parents because they had spent their life savings on frills for themselves, and she sued because she thought that it was her inheritance money. the judge looked at her said, did you earn it? can your parents get money from you for the time and effort in raising you? it’s getting ridiculous. now i have heard that the city of atlanta is fighting back on the lowered pants — i wish them the best of luck with that one. so where does life start and end? why not with the parent and child! and it starts early not late in their life.
ME, In New Orleans, the parents do teach the children…how to steal the car.
Nancy, In New Orleans, by middle school they’ve perfected their methods.
Would love to see the curriculum.
Nancy, I am curious, were you teaching in a rough area of the country? Do you feel anything was gained? Got to admit it would be awkward to discuss these things with 3rd graders that I have known. How can you relay the consequences to children this young?
Actually teaching them that young isn’t so good for the education and scare tactics as it is for indoctrination. We attempt to indoctrinate as many as possible and hope for the best. We do it with so many things, this is just one more. Not that I’m against indoctrination – all for it in fact. Brain washing is a wonderful way to maintain an orderly society.
Claims Guy, you’re right. This will not address the root cause. Theft usually happens for one of two reasons – need or thrill. If it’s need you have to address the rampant poverty in that area of the country. If it’s thrill you have to provide meaningful consequences; and even that won’t stop the true thrill seekers.
It was in Southern California and not in the best neighborhood. I hate saying this but it was a city with mainly black and hispanic children. TO be honest, the town was Chino and yes there is a prison in that city. This was all preventative stuff we were teaching but by the time I was working in the high schools I couldn’t handle it and quitmy internship.
The city had their own separate high school for pregnant and teenage mothers where they were stil going to school to get their diploma but their kid(s) were being watched in another classroom. One 16 y/o had 2 kids (ages 4 and 5)! I couldn’t handle it after I found out one a dad of one “my girls” was in prison for shooting and killing her boyfriend after he found out his daughter was pregnant. It was all too much. Insurance is much more bland. Sorry for the long post.
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i can definately see high school, whereas kids will get a permit and license. this needs to be taught in conjuction with a drivers education course, just a like a defensive driver course. definately need to know consequences. i like the idea of how it affects everyone – it might shed some light or open some eyes! but middle school, is way too young!
Education on the evils of stealing a car is nice, but that isn’t the answer that will make a significant impact on the problem. People steal cars because it’s an easy way to make fast money. Our leftist courts won’t strengthen the penalty and car thiefs are usually back on the street within 8 hours. Until and unless prospective thieves perceive a real consequence, nothing will change. Besides that, car theft is good for the economy. Think of all who belly up to the trough. The economically depressed have an income source, salvage yards and parts dealers sell parts to repair recovered vehicles, rental agencies provide temporary substitute vehicles, body repair shops, insurance companies, the theft bureau, the police, towing companies, etc. America is a great place.
How about getting the cops who stole cars during Katrina? Some will scream that this is racially biased. How about Louisiana concentrating on getting ALL of their school systems on par with the rest of the country though the basic Rs (readin’, ritin’ and rithmetic), especially New Orleans schools. I could care less about car theft and I care more about a great education and less teen pregnancy and drug use. This program is pretty hypocritical when you can drive with open containers and pick up a daquiri on every corner. People are too drunk to steal the cars in the first place!
Wudchuck – you would be amazed what is taught in some schools. 15 years ago when I was in college I worked as a counselor at elementary, middle and high schools for my internship and I had the job to teach and educate all students (from 1st grade to 12th) about the dangers of gun, alcohol, drug, tobacco abuse and to stay away from gangs, stay in school, etc. Do you know how weird it was talking to 3rd graders about the dangers of drugs, alcohol and guns?
As for the S.F. comment, why are you always race-baiting on this forum? Can’t you go to another fourm to do that and let the rest of us talk about insurance?
where are the parents and don’t they teach their kids right from wrong????? this is really sad………..
i agree. parents nowdays, don’t care! they allow their kids to be disrepectful, listen to rap music where every other word is either unhearable or ?#$#$ words. they allow the kids to wear the britches half down showing their underwear. PARENTS – what are they doing? allowing kids to be and do whatever they want?! i think we need to teach the parents and kids for being wrong. put them both in jail for bad behavior or for that matter both in detention. mandatory for parents to be in detention just so that the child will not graduate otherwise. punishment is gone out the window — and they want the government to do it?! i don’t think it’s the gov’t’s place to do that. we just need to start collecting on this bad behavior and put it in its place. make parent responsible and make the child just as responsible. i remember the days when my mother used to make me write 1000 times i will not do xxxxxxx. ground me for week at a time. these days kids think they need to have a phone, tv and other things in their room. it’s like we have to owe them things, when in reality, we never had those things nor needed them. same goes for computers. i remember seeing a girl in college sue her parents because they had spent their life savings on frills for themselves, and she sued because she thought that it was her inheritance money. the judge looked at her said, did you earn it? can your parents get money from you for the time and effort in raising you? it’s getting ridiculous. now i have heard that the city of atlanta is fighting back on the lowered pants — i wish them the best of luck with that one. so where does life start and end? why not with the parent and child! and it starts early not late in their life.
In New Orleans,
ME, In New Orleans, the parents do teach the children…how to steal the car.
Nancy, In New Orleans, by middle school they’ve perfected their methods.
Would love to see the curriculum.
Nancy, I am curious, were you teaching in a rough area of the country? Do you feel anything was gained? Got to admit it would be awkward to discuss these things with 3rd graders that I have known. How can you relay the consequences to children this young?
Actually teaching them that young isn’t so good for the education and scare tactics as it is for indoctrination. We attempt to indoctrinate as many as possible and hope for the best. We do it with so many things, this is just one more. Not that I’m against indoctrination – all for it in fact. Brain washing is a wonderful way to maintain an orderly society.
Claims Guy, you’re right. This will not address the root cause. Theft usually happens for one of two reasons – need or thrill. If it’s need you have to address the rampant poverty in that area of the country. If it’s thrill you have to provide meaningful consequences; and even that won’t stop the true thrill seekers.
It was in Southern California and not in the best neighborhood. I hate saying this but it was a city with mainly black and hispanic children. TO be honest, the town was Chino and yes there is a prison in that city. This was all preventative stuff we were teaching but by the time I was working in the high schools I couldn’t handle it and quitmy internship.
The city had their own separate high school for pregnant and teenage mothers where they were stil going to school to get their diploma but their kid(s) were being watched in another classroom. One 16 y/o had 2 kids (ages 4 and 5)! I couldn’t handle it after I found out one a dad of one “my girls” was in prison for shooting and killing her boyfriend after he found out his daughter was pregnant. It was all too much. Insurance is much more bland. Sorry for the long post.