because the next time that cesspool gets flooded they may wise up and not rebuild.
If those folks had to pay for it themselves you can bet all they’d kick in
for is a monument.
There is an inherent flaw in Major Gen. Don Riley’s logic. He fails to see that the levee system not being built to withstand hurricanes of Katrina’s size is the catastrophic failure in the first place. Whether or not the Pre-Katrina levee system was built correctly or not, is a mute point.
Black representatives and “leaders” who spewed this venom and these ridiculous lies ought to be charged with trying to incite a riot.
David, to quote Jimmy Buffet: “it’s not that simple”, the entire region is sinking and has been since the 1700’s. Bench marks sunk 7 feet since last surveys.
A key point of the report is that the Corps was not the only entity involved in the building and maintaining of the levee system. The local levee boards were funded to maintain the levees and choose to spend much of that money on other projects, one of which was an airport. Now, why should the Army Corps of Engineers be held fully responsible?
And remember, the levees of New Orleans were built over hundreds of years; starting way before the Army Corps of Engineers was even thought of.
Although the original levee system was built in the 19th century, the modern system was designed in the late 1950s by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
This report points out that “If the corps faced problems outside its control, however, it never raised the alarm”.
“The report also found that corps officials failed to incorporate proper height information in the construction of levees and walls throughout the region.
The corps also failed to adjust levee designs as new information about the intensity and frequency of hurricanes became available, the report said.”
The Corp may not be completely to blame, but they contributed a very big part!
Why would the report be written by economists? Engineers would have made sense to me. Just curious.
Being a New Orleanian, I will lay the blame on Katrina. Mother Nature pounded the area which is well below sea level. When you’re talking about the levees, you’re talking miles and miles of levees. It flooded in St. Tammany Parish which is North of Lake Pontchartrain. So we should be looking at levees from St. Tammany Parish, Jefferson Parish, Orleans Parish and St. Bernard Parish. Tangipahoa Parish too? Monumental and perhaps impossible to protect this much area with “adequate” levees.
When you look at a map of the city of New Orleans, it borders on being an island. With that harsh of a storm, the results were not unexpected. We would want to protect the city and it’s surrounding areas. Check the areas south of New Orleans on the map.
By the way, anyone from the New Orleans area will tell you how much flooding we had in the area from a good number of rain storms over the years.
Every year, the local weathermen, Bob Breck and Nash Roberts had their hurricane shows which clearly outlined the worst case scenarios that would absolutely devestate the area. It came to being.
The blame game is getting old. Maybe we should be talking about what we should do to prevent or improve the situation, and accept what that we can only provide so much protection. Bad things happen which are beyond the control of mere humans.
Mark, don’t make the mistake of letting facts get in the way of argument. It was not the local levee boards demanding control of the levees and their poor oversight, nor Congress for cutting funding and requiring the gates not to be built, nor the city for being below sea level in the first place that caused the flooding. It was obviously George Bush and the rest of his evil cronies in the federal government that deserve all the blame.
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If you allow enough money, I will head the study! Can’t be worse then all the other studies!
as long as you help get me elected to something that will put me in charge of a lot of money i will make sure you get lots of it.
because the next time that cesspool gets flooded they may wise up and not rebuild.
If those folks had to pay for it themselves you can bet all they’d kick in
for is a monument.
if not doesnt someone owe an apology?
There is an inherent flaw in Major Gen. Don Riley’s logic. He fails to see that the levee system not being built to withstand hurricanes of Katrina’s size is the catastrophic failure in the first place. Whether or not the Pre-Katrina levee system was built correctly or not, is a mute point.
Black representatives and “leaders” who spewed this venom and these ridiculous lies ought to be charged with trying to incite a riot.
David, to quote Jimmy Buffet: “it’s not that simple”, the entire region is sinking and has been since the 1700’s. Bench marks sunk 7 feet since last surveys.
David,
A key point of the report is that the Corps was not the only entity involved in the building and maintaining of the levee system. The local levee boards were funded to maintain the levees and choose to spend much of that money on other projects, one of which was an airport. Now, why should the Army Corps of Engineers be held fully responsible?
And remember, the levees of New Orleans were built over hundreds of years; starting way before the Army Corps of Engineers was even thought of.
Although the original levee system was built in the 19th century, the modern system was designed in the late 1950s by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
This report points out that “If the corps faced problems outside its control, however, it never raised the alarm”.
“The report also found that corps officials failed to incorporate proper height information in the construction of levees and walls throughout the region.
The corps also failed to adjust levee designs as new information about the intensity and frequency of hurricanes became available, the report said.”
The Corp may not be completely to blame, but they contributed a very big part!
Why would the report be written by economists? Engineers would have made sense to me. Just curious.
Being a New Orleanian, I will lay the blame on Katrina. Mother Nature pounded the area which is well below sea level. When you’re talking about the levees, you’re talking miles and miles of levees. It flooded in St. Tammany Parish which is North of Lake Pontchartrain. So we should be looking at levees from St. Tammany Parish, Jefferson Parish, Orleans Parish and St. Bernard Parish. Tangipahoa Parish too? Monumental and perhaps impossible to protect this much area with “adequate” levees.
When you look at a map of the city of New Orleans, it borders on being an island. With that harsh of a storm, the results were not unexpected. We would want to protect the city and it’s surrounding areas. Check the areas south of New Orleans on the map.
By the way, anyone from the New Orleans area will tell you how much flooding we had in the area from a good number of rain storms over the years.
Every year, the local weathermen, Bob Breck and Nash Roberts had their hurricane shows which clearly outlined the worst case scenarios that would absolutely devestate the area. It came to being.
The blame game is getting old. Maybe we should be talking about what we should do to prevent or improve the situation, and accept what that we can only provide so much protection. Bad things happen which are beyond the control of mere humans.
That’s my thought on this, for what it’s worth.
Mark, don’t make the mistake of letting facts get in the way of argument. It was not the local levee boards demanding control of the levees and their poor oversight, nor Congress for cutting funding and requiring the gates not to be built, nor the city for being below sea level in the first place that caused the flooding. It was obviously George Bush and the rest of his evil cronies in the federal government that deserve all the blame.