Well maybe they are wise in WI because I see it all the time – or it could be because there are so many uninsured people around here. And not all policies are capped at $1k. I’m an adjuster and I pay med pay limits everyday. I am getting claims forms straight from the med facilities too – sometimes as the first report of a claim.
I guess I don’t get the analogy of car insurance and health insurance. If there is a syllogism in there, I missed it. One is for the benefit of third parties who may have been harmed by a first party, the other is for the sole benefit of a first party. And, by the way, Obamacare now makes not having insurance “illegal” via the assessment of fines. At least Cngress removed the jail time that was in the orignal bill.
TIE, I can’t quite understand how the discussion could devolve into casting aspersions about “hate”. I would hope that an attitude of disagreeing can occur here without being disagreeable. Simply expressing an opposite view should not be couched in terms of hate. What next, disagreement will be equated to racism! With respect to your argument about costs going down when adding 31 million new “customer” and not enlarging the provider pool or allowing for coverage to be purchased as you go into a hospital for major surgery makes that argument incomprehensble. If you have any example of where this has happened, bring it forward.
*Here’s a thought, if you’re not comfortable with the health insurers’ attempts to pay a lower amount than your bill, then lower your bills to more respectible levels!*
The point is that the govt doesn’t fully reimburse the companies for medicare, medicaid, etc, so they try to get higher payments from insurers.
Aside from doing away with communist healthcare programs entirely, what we could do is allow hospitals to go after the patient for the difference between what they bill and what e.g. medicare pays. That way, my insurance company wouldn’t be overcharged for my care to pay for some welfare queen’s emergency room visit.
FHB. What greed are you referring to. Government greed for power and control. Ohhh, I suspect you mean corporate greed ala the 3% profit Healthcare companies make, that must be it. And, insurance premiums have nothing to do with the underlying cost of the services provided; nor the cost shifting from underpayment of those services by the biggest insurer on the block, Medicare/Medicaid. I am sure you think the government’s new program will lower cost with this new program by covering 5% more people. Ask yourself this, it that is really the case, why didn’t they add the remaining 5% of uninsureds. If they had, think of all the money that would be saved. Republican rhetoric aside, common sense and logical analysis trumphs the simplistic banal idealogy of powerful dark forces within the private sector that act as puppetmasters who control an ignorant and pliable populace. “Greed” smiled Marx.
Tom, I think all the wall street big wigs thought the movie “Wall Street” and Michael Douglas’ talk on greed was meant for them to help themselves and their self serving interests to rape the average american citizen.
FHB, as you know, movies are not reality. If, however, you want to use movies as a metaphor for life of want to pit private sector v. public sector behaviour, might I suggest a rental list that includes, Three Days of the Condor or All the President’s Men. The point is that “greed” for money, or power, knows no boundries. For me, I recognize the fact that the greed of government invovlemnt in our lives is much more to be feared as governments can more easliy erode freedom, both personal and economic. Don’t get me wrong, government does play a role in limiting the abuses of the private sector but like heeping a tiger as a pet, one must be very leery that the cat doesn’t decide to feast on its owner.
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Good try — but we can all recognize sarcastic comments.
BTW — … exactly what kind of expert are you?
Well maybe they are wise in WI because I see it all the time – or it could be because there are so many uninsured people around here. And not all policies are capped at $1k. I’m an adjuster and I pay med pay limits everyday. I am getting claims forms straight from the med facilities too – sometimes as the first report of a claim.
I guess I don’t get the analogy of car insurance and health insurance. If there is a syllogism in there, I missed it. One is for the benefit of third parties who may have been harmed by a first party, the other is for the sole benefit of a first party. And, by the way, Obamacare now makes not having insurance “illegal” via the assessment of fines. At least Cngress removed the jail time that was in the orignal bill.
TIE, I can’t quite understand how the discussion could devolve into casting aspersions about “hate”. I would hope that an attitude of disagreeing can occur here without being disagreeable. Simply expressing an opposite view should not be couched in terms of hate. What next, disagreement will be equated to racism! With respect to your argument about costs going down when adding 31 million new “customer” and not enlarging the provider pool or allowing for coverage to be purchased as you go into a hospital for major surgery makes that argument incomprehensble. If you have any example of where this has happened, bring it forward.
*Here’s a thought, if you’re not comfortable with the health insurers’ attempts to pay a lower amount than your bill, then lower your bills to more respectible levels!*
That’s ridiculous. I know: let’s just nationalize healthcare! Oh wiat, we just did… and it’s going to increase the cost of everything http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/23/surprise-obamacare-will-increase-expenses-says-medicare-actuary/
The point is that the govt doesn’t fully reimburse the companies for medicare, medicaid, etc, so they try to get higher payments from insurers.
Aside from doing away with communist healthcare programs entirely, what we could do is allow hospitals to go after the patient for the difference between what they bill and what e.g. medicare pays. That way, my insurance company wouldn’t be overcharged for my care to pay for some welfare queen’s emergency room visit.
Rusty, you listen to too much republican rhetoric.
You all wonder how things got this way? Hello, it is called GREED!!
FHB. What greed are you referring to. Government greed for power and control. Ohhh, I suspect you mean corporate greed ala the 3% profit Healthcare companies make, that must be it. And, insurance premiums have nothing to do with the underlying cost of the services provided; nor the cost shifting from underpayment of those services by the biggest insurer on the block, Medicare/Medicaid. I am sure you think the government’s new program will lower cost with this new program by covering 5% more people. Ask yourself this, it that is really the case, why didn’t they add the remaining 5% of uninsureds. If they had, think of all the money that would be saved. Republican rhetoric aside, common sense and logical analysis trumphs the simplistic banal idealogy of powerful dark forces within the private sector that act as puppetmasters who control an ignorant and pliable populace. “Greed” smiled Marx.
Tom, I think all the wall street big wigs thought the movie “Wall Street” and Michael Douglas’ talk on greed was meant for them to help themselves and their self serving interests to rape the average american citizen.
FHB, as you know, movies are not reality. If, however, you want to use movies as a metaphor for life of want to pit private sector v. public sector behaviour, might I suggest a rental list that includes, Three Days of the Condor or All the President’s Men. The point is that “greed” for money, or power, knows no boundries. For me, I recognize the fact that the greed of government invovlemnt in our lives is much more to be feared as governments can more easliy erode freedom, both personal and economic. Don’t get me wrong, government does play a role in limiting the abuses of the private sector but like heeping a tiger as a pet, one must be very leery that the cat doesn’t decide to feast on its owner.