College administrators need to steer clear of supporting illegal activity. I agree we need to question what value the Greek system brings to us. It has forever been a haven of hazing, underage binge drinking, drugs and other things we don’t send our kids to school for.
Parents should raise their children to be strong enough to support what is right; but the fact is not all people are strong. There will always be people who bow to pressure and suffer. That’s where a charge of involuntary manslaughter might be in line for the people running the party who pressured this kid to drink himself to death. They were stupid, but do need to pay for their stupidity. Nobody in modern America is unaware of the dangers of binge drinking.
College administrators need to be held responsible for anything they condone or support – within reason. I do not think they should be charged if a football player dies of a neck injury during practice or a game, but if that same player dies of a neck injury during a hazing practice that has been accepted for years – yes. The same goes for providing adequate protection on field trips and so forth. These students are adults but since we treat them like children they act like children which means administrators must accept responsibility as though they are children.
Ultimately? We should do away with the worthless Greek system and hold all students accountable for their actions as adults. That is what we should strive for. I’m missing some of my point here, but it’s the end of the day and I can’t think that straight.
You will kill some dogs and go to prison for 1 to 5 years but kill a person and get 18 months possibly. Between this story and the woman killing her minister husband and getting out after six months, I don’t know what’s wrong with the justice system!
I’ll be curious to see how this turns out. I know people have discussed on this board parents taking on the liability of their children, this is along the same lines don’t you think?
Im sick of this ingornace. Most people who kill dogs get away with it. Of the 1% of people who actually get caught probably about 99% will never serve jail time.
Vick kills and tortures 8 dogs and harms 100’s of others and is looking at only 12 to 18 months.
Often when one person kills another and the sentence is light, its because its manslaughter and NOT MURDER.
Manslaughter usually involves other cercumstances like accidents.
So think about that before you make any more uninformed statements!
Are any of you sane? This isn’t about Vick. It is about yet another over zealous prosecutor trying to make a name for himself. Hopefully, the same thing that happened to Mike Nifong will happen to this guy. These people are GROWN men, yes, legally they are, and they can choose NOT to pledge a fraternity at all. Or, they can choose to drink themselves to death. I fail to see how this is the brother’s fault let alone the college administrators. What’s next? Will my employer be to blame if I drink myself to death now that I’m a 30 something man out of college? Is there always someone else to blame?? Give me a break!
None of the pledges were dragged off the street or bought and caged to get them to the Frat……HOEWEVER….There should be some accountability for all the people at that party (“event”) that watched someone drown and did not drag him out or at least anonymously dial 911
Actually, the administration often gets charged in these instances for in loco parentis. (In loco parentis, Latin for “in the place of a parent”, refers to the legal responsibility of a person or organization to take on some of the functions and responsibilities of a parent.) How many undergraduates are of drinking age? Yet colleges have turned a blind eye to this reckless drinking. And it is usually freshman who really don’t know the limits and boundaries or even the dangers. Remember the young woman who died from drinking too much water on a radio show? I’d generally agree though that we’re too quick to want to place blame externally.
As a claims professional and father of four children who successfully completed college without killing themselves, I offer the following observations.
First: Parents have the undelegable duty to raise their kids to know right from wrong, recognize a dangerous activity, and have the confidence to walk away from it. If the young adult isn’t ready, you don’t send them away to school and you certainly don’t allow them to join a frat or sorority.
Second: The young adult has to step up to the plate and be able to say “no” to an activity that he/she knows can cause bodily harm. Some thing simply aren’t worth doing. I’ve heard all the arguments about “peer pressure” and wanting to be “accepted”, but young people need to know when the price is too high. Nobody else can protect them 24×7.
Third: College administrators are not 24×7 chaperones. They’re paid to provide an educational environment. They can set policies and try to enforce them but it simply doesn’t work.
Fourth: Colleges should adopt a zero tolerance policy for both hazing and alcohol related incidents.
If he did, he probably would get off easier… The story here is the people that died – not the dogs that Vick abused – Grant it – his ‘sentance’ appears light – but thats what you get when you have $$$$$
Every parents worse nightmare is to be the subject of such a story – it is the young men and women that break under peer pressure that are the victems – just to get into some stinking frat or soror and be part of a “click”
I thought we were in the 21st century – didn’t they ban hazing???
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College administrators need to steer clear of supporting illegal activity. I agree we need to question what value the Greek system brings to us. It has forever been a haven of hazing, underage binge drinking, drugs and other things we don’t send our kids to school for.
Parents should raise their children to be strong enough to support what is right; but the fact is not all people are strong. There will always be people who bow to pressure and suffer. That’s where a charge of involuntary manslaughter might be in line for the people running the party who pressured this kid to drink himself to death. They were stupid, but do need to pay for their stupidity. Nobody in modern America is unaware of the dangers of binge drinking.
College administrators need to be held responsible for anything they condone or support – within reason. I do not think they should be charged if a football player dies of a neck injury during practice or a game, but if that same player dies of a neck injury during a hazing practice that has been accepted for years – yes. The same goes for providing adequate protection on field trips and so forth. These students are adults but since we treat them like children they act like children which means administrators must accept responsibility as though they are children.
Ultimately? We should do away with the worthless Greek system and hold all students accountable for their actions as adults. That is what we should strive for. I’m missing some of my point here, but it’s the end of the day and I can’t think that straight.
You will kill some dogs and go to prison for 1 to 5 years but kill a person and get 18 months possibly. Between this story and the woman killing her minister husband and getting out after six months, I don’t know what’s wrong with the justice system!
Maybe they’ll find out the fraternity made some dogs drink and some real sentences will be handed out.
I’ll be curious to see how this turns out. I know people have discussed on this board parents taking on the liability of their children, this is along the same lines don’t you think?
Im sick of this ingornace. Most people who kill dogs get away with it. Of the 1% of people who actually get caught probably about 99% will never serve jail time.
Vick kills and tortures 8 dogs and harms 100’s of others and is looking at only 12 to 18 months.
Often when one person kills another and the sentence is light, its because its manslaughter and NOT MURDER.
Manslaughter usually involves other cercumstances like accidents.
So think about that before you make any more uninformed statements!
Are any of you sane? This isn’t about Vick. It is about yet another over zealous prosecutor trying to make a name for himself. Hopefully, the same thing that happened to Mike Nifong will happen to this guy. These people are GROWN men, yes, legally they are, and they can choose NOT to pledge a fraternity at all. Or, they can choose to drink themselves to death. I fail to see how this is the brother’s fault let alone the college administrators. What’s next? Will my employer be to blame if I drink myself to death now that I’m a 30 something man out of college? Is there always someone else to blame?? Give me a break!
None of the pledges were dragged off the street or bought and caged to get them to the Frat……HOEWEVER….There should be some accountability for all the people at that party (“event”) that watched someone drown and did not drag him out or at least anonymously dial 911
Actually, the administration often gets charged in these instances for in loco parentis. (In loco parentis, Latin for “in the place of a parent”, refers to the legal responsibility of a person or organization to take on some of the functions and responsibilities of a parent.) How many undergraduates are of drinking age? Yet colleges have turned a blind eye to this reckless drinking. And it is usually freshman who really don’t know the limits and boundaries or even the dangers. Remember the young woman who died from drinking too much water on a radio show? I’d generally agree though that we’re too quick to want to place blame externally.
As a claims professional and father of four children who successfully completed college without killing themselves, I offer the following observations.
First: Parents have the undelegable duty to raise their kids to know right from wrong, recognize a dangerous activity, and have the confidence to walk away from it. If the young adult isn’t ready, you don’t send them away to school and you certainly don’t allow them to join a frat or sorority.
Second: The young adult has to step up to the plate and be able to say “no” to an activity that he/she knows can cause bodily harm. Some thing simply aren’t worth doing. I’ve heard all the arguments about “peer pressure” and wanting to be “accepted”, but young people need to know when the price is too high. Nobody else can protect them 24×7.
Third: College administrators are not 24×7 chaperones. They’re paid to provide an educational environment. They can set policies and try to enforce them but it simply doesn’t work.
Fourth: Colleges should adopt a zero tolerance policy for both hazing and alcohol related incidents.
If he did, he probably would get off easier… The story here is the people that died – not the dogs that Vick abused – Grant it – his ‘sentance’ appears light – but thats what you get when you have $$$$$
Every parents worse nightmare is to be the subject of such a story – it is the young men and women that break under peer pressure that are the victems – just to get into some stinking frat or soror and be part of a “click”
I thought we were in the 21st century – didn’t they ban hazing???