Yo \”Truth,\” I think you meant blood DEBT, homey. \”Dept\” is the abbreviation for department, genius.
So what is the blood debt, the 250,000 Union soldiers who died to end slavery? Or maybe it\’s the blood on the hands of the African tribal chieftans who sold their own people to Arab slavers for rum? Or maybe it involves the half-dozen African states that still allow slavery?
No I don\’t think we should do it and it should NOT be about shutting up Jesse Jackson.
The point everyone seems to be missing here is that this suit will hurt EVERYONE economically, the poorer more than anyone else since it will affect how much insurance, credit, banking services, etc will cost them to cover any payments proposed. But not EVERYONE who will be made to suffer has had a hand in slavery, or benefitted from slavery. Only 2% of the Southern landowners owned slaves. Only 1% of the rich Northern industrialists profiteered off of slavery. But all the rest of the poor avereage every day people living back then, they didn\’t benefit from slavery. In fact, they were economically harmed by it because slavery meant there were less paying jobs for the free poor workers, who were completely devalued under that system.
Furthermore, most of the people here now who would end up paying this \”debt\” for slavery, their ancestors didn\’t arrive here until well after the practice was abolished! Is it fair to cause undue economic hardship to those who are only 4th generation Americans, whose ancestors didn\’t even arrive until the early 1900\’s, many without a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out? As I have stated before, the idea of making things right was to enact the civil rights laws, social programs and affirmative action to provide economic redress for present effects caused by past wrongs. I really don\’t think it\’s economically fair or just to hurt the disabled, the elderly and the working-poor on low incomes scraping to afford life\’s necessities of today with the economic fallout resulting from paying out such a gargantuan settlement to some squeaky wheel who wants free money at everybody else\’s expense, with NO concern for who they hurt in order to get it – even if it means hurting those far less fortunate. It\’s just not right. America as a nation DID make atonement to the descendants of slaves with welfare, public housing, civil rights, and affirmative action.
What about my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great Uncle who was thrown to the lions by the Romans because he was a Christian. Now that\’s blood debt! My hand is out and I\’m waiting for my money you horrible Italian racist pigs! Ok, I\’ll take a Ferrari. And let\’s not forget my Uncle\’s forefathers were Jews. Egypt, I\’m looking in your general direction too.
1. 250,000 Union soldiers died – many whom were under the age of 18.
2. The Burning of Atlanta, GA to the ground in Sherman\’s March to Sea.
3. The post-Civil War martial laws enacted in every Southern state disenfranchising ex-Confederates from their right to vote during the \”Reconstruction\” period.
4. The \”predatory lending\” type of practices of post-disaster opportunists (Carpetbaggers) who paid less than 1/10 th of the fair market value for the bankrupted southern farms and depleted southern homes, leaving entire families destitute and homeless.
5. The extreme poverty endured by most Southern families as a direct result of the Civil War when their currency was rendered null and void, useless Confederate notes which weren\’t worth the paper they were printed on.
6. Brown vs, Board of Education, Topeka
7. The Civil Rights Laws known as Title VII including but not limited to: Equal Housing, Equal Credit, Equal Employment Opportunity just to name a few.
8. Affirmative Action , guaranteeing a certain percentage of college admissions, scholarships and good jobs to blacks as a means of redress for present affects of past social wrongs
9. AFDC
10. The Watts riots in 1965 where many innocent small store owners and residents were hurt, killed or were financially ruined by rioting blacks who burned most of South Central LA.
11. The Watts riots of 1995 in the wake of the Rodney King beating by members of the LAPD. During these riots, once again, store owners were victimized and lost everything in the fires, innocent people got hurt, like the poor working-class truck driver Reginald Denny who was yanked out of his truck cab by a mob of rioting blacks just because he was white, beaten and left with permanent disabilities and hundreds of thousands in medical bills.
12. The 1991 Crown Heights riots over an accident where a mob of angry young black men ganged up on and stabbed to death a lone Jewish boy named Yankel Rosenbaum (an Australian citizen here on a student visa) who was attending the Orthodox Yeshiva.
13. The two white college kids who were civil rights activists who died at the hands of local Klansmen because they were helping blacks get the right to vote and overcome segregation and the poll tax in Mississippi in 1964 (recall the movie, \”Mississippi Burning\”?)
14. The removal of the Confederate Flag from the captal buildings in Georgia and South Carolina in 2000
15. The removal of all historical Confederate monuments and statues from southern cities and towns in reaction to the claims by some blacks that these were offensive for them to have to look at or see.
16. The disenfranchisement of several hundred employees of the Alcoa plant in Baden, NC on 2000 where they were forced to park at least a mile away from the plant after their Sons of Confederate Veteran (SCV) license plates (issued by the state of NC as lawful veteran license plates)offended three black (highly paid) union co-workers, one being the local union president who demanded that management force their co-workers with these offensive SCV license plates to be banned from parking in the employee parking lot and banned from parking on Alcoa company property unless they forfeited their First Ammendment Rights by getting rid of their lawfully issued license plates.
In sum, I think this \”blood debt\” has been paid in full, with interest that borders along what one would consider usury – in social justice terms as well as in financial terms.
I am southern. My family can actually trace back our lineage to the original settlers. We NEVER owned slaves. We were the indentured servants. We were too poor to own them! Not all blacks have this \”You owe me\” attitude, and unfortunately is the vocal minority that has made this an issue. And just so you know, it has taken the deep south over a century to get caught back up with the economic boom the north saw after the war due to the $ they were given. The only reason downtown Charleston SC is as beautifula as it is now is because of Hurrican Hugo in the late 80\’s. They were given A LOT of disaster assistance and now areas that you would not want to be in after dark are gorgeous tourist havens! I think I want to start my own suit against the government that witheld assistance to rebuild after The War of Northern Aggression.
The world has not changed much in the past 200 years. Several companies are still caught cheating and exploiting blacks. Entire black towns were slaughtered in the past simply for being nice and having more than some jealous white towns. No race has had more raped women and separated families. That said the majority of the world is still prejudice. P.S., if you are white and you are poor, you are pathetic; This system was formed for you.
I am starting a class action suit for all men against women as the descendant of women (Eve) ruined the world when she plucked the apple from the Tree. I could have lived in Paradise if it was not for the woman. I am suing the women because I can not collect from a snake. Any men want to join me?
\”Entire black towns were slaughtered in the past simply for being nice and having more than some jealous white towns.\”
Would you care to elaborate on this myth?
\”No race has had more raped women and separated families.\”
Excuse me, but you can contact the FBI and get their Uniform Crime Statistics and read for yourself – 95% of inter-racial rape is black on white. I know three white women who were raped by blacks, and one who -thanks be to God- killed her assailant with a .357 as she was attacked in her sleep in her own bed.
As for separated families, for about the tenth time – African chiefs sold their own subjects to Arab slavers. They were not captured running through the woods like OJ \”The Knife\” Simpson in \”Roots,\” they were sold to new owners by their old owners – the chiefs of their tribes.
So grow up, get a life, take responsibility for yourself and your family, and quit coveting.
While I don\’t agree with reparations since it would solve nothing this point, I think that this gives us an excellent opportunity to examine our own racist thoughts and tendencies, as exhibited by many of the comments posted. It\’s amazing how much we seem to know about Black History, especially you, Jacqueline. You should be teaching a course as you seem to be quite the authority.
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Yo \”Truth,\” I think you meant blood DEBT, homey. \”Dept\” is the abbreviation for department, genius.
So what is the blood debt, the 250,000 Union soldiers who died to end slavery? Or maybe it\’s the blood on the hands of the African tribal chieftans who sold their own people to Arab slavers for rum? Or maybe it involves the half-dozen African states that still allow slavery?
No I don\’t think we should do it and it should NOT be about shutting up Jesse Jackson.
The point everyone seems to be missing here is that this suit will hurt EVERYONE economically, the poorer more than anyone else since it will affect how much insurance, credit, banking services, etc will cost them to cover any payments proposed. But not EVERYONE who will be made to suffer has had a hand in slavery, or benefitted from slavery. Only 2% of the Southern landowners owned slaves. Only 1% of the rich Northern industrialists profiteered off of slavery. But all the rest of the poor avereage every day people living back then, they didn\’t benefit from slavery. In fact, they were economically harmed by it because slavery meant there were less paying jobs for the free poor workers, who were completely devalued under that system.
Furthermore, most of the people here now who would end up paying this \”debt\” for slavery, their ancestors didn\’t arrive here until well after the practice was abolished! Is it fair to cause undue economic hardship to those who are only 4th generation Americans, whose ancestors didn\’t even arrive until the early 1900\’s, many without a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out? As I have stated before, the idea of making things right was to enact the civil rights laws, social programs and affirmative action to provide economic redress for present effects caused by past wrongs. I really don\’t think it\’s economically fair or just to hurt the disabled, the elderly and the working-poor on low incomes scraping to afford life\’s necessities of today with the economic fallout resulting from paying out such a gargantuan settlement to some squeaky wheel who wants free money at everybody else\’s expense, with NO concern for who they hurt in order to get it – even if it means hurting those far less fortunate. It\’s just not right. America as a nation DID make atonement to the descendants of slaves with welfare, public housing, civil rights, and affirmative action.
What about my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great Uncle who was thrown to the lions by the Romans because he was a Christian. Now that\’s blood debt! My hand is out and I\’m waiting for my money you horrible Italian racist pigs! Ok, I\’ll take a Ferrari. And let\’s not forget my Uncle\’s forefathers were Jews. Egypt, I\’m looking in your general direction too.
WHY NOT REPARATIATE BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM. MY ANSESTORS WERE THE SAME AS THESE MENTIONED. AM I INCLUDED?
1. 250,000 Union soldiers died – many whom were under the age of 18.
2. The Burning of Atlanta, GA to the ground in Sherman\’s March to Sea.
3. The post-Civil War martial laws enacted in every Southern state disenfranchising ex-Confederates from their right to vote during the \”Reconstruction\” period.
4. The \”predatory lending\” type of practices of post-disaster opportunists (Carpetbaggers) who paid less than 1/10 th of the fair market value for the bankrupted southern farms and depleted southern homes, leaving entire families destitute and homeless.
5. The extreme poverty endured by most Southern families as a direct result of the Civil War when their currency was rendered null and void, useless Confederate notes which weren\’t worth the paper they were printed on.
6. Brown vs, Board of Education, Topeka
7. The Civil Rights Laws known as Title VII including but not limited to: Equal Housing, Equal Credit, Equal Employment Opportunity just to name a few.
8. Affirmative Action , guaranteeing a certain percentage of college admissions, scholarships and good jobs to blacks as a means of redress for present affects of past social wrongs
9. AFDC
10. The Watts riots in 1965 where many innocent small store owners and residents were hurt, killed or were financially ruined by rioting blacks who burned most of South Central LA.
11. The Watts riots of 1995 in the wake of the Rodney King beating by members of the LAPD. During these riots, once again, store owners were victimized and lost everything in the fires, innocent people got hurt, like the poor working-class truck driver Reginald Denny who was yanked out of his truck cab by a mob of rioting blacks just because he was white, beaten and left with permanent disabilities and hundreds of thousands in medical bills.
12. The 1991 Crown Heights riots over an accident where a mob of angry young black men ganged up on and stabbed to death a lone Jewish boy named Yankel Rosenbaum (an Australian citizen here on a student visa) who was attending the Orthodox Yeshiva.
13. The two white college kids who were civil rights activists who died at the hands of local Klansmen because they were helping blacks get the right to vote and overcome segregation and the poll tax in Mississippi in 1964 (recall the movie, \”Mississippi Burning\”?)
14. The removal of the Confederate Flag from the captal buildings in Georgia and South Carolina in 2000
15. The removal of all historical Confederate monuments and statues from southern cities and towns in reaction to the claims by some blacks that these were offensive for them to have to look at or see.
16. The disenfranchisement of several hundred employees of the Alcoa plant in Baden, NC on 2000 where they were forced to park at least a mile away from the plant after their Sons of Confederate Veteran (SCV) license plates (issued by the state of NC as lawful veteran license plates)offended three black (highly paid) union co-workers, one being the local union president who demanded that management force their co-workers with these offensive SCV license plates to be banned from parking in the employee parking lot and banned from parking on Alcoa company property unless they forfeited their First Ammendment Rights by getting rid of their lawfully issued license plates.
In sum, I think this \”blood debt\” has been paid in full, with interest that borders along what one would consider usury – in social justice terms as well as in financial terms.
I am southern. My family can actually trace back our lineage to the original settlers. We NEVER owned slaves. We were the indentured servants. We were too poor to own them! Not all blacks have this \”You owe me\” attitude, and unfortunately is the vocal minority that has made this an issue. And just so you know, it has taken the deep south over a century to get caught back up with the economic boom the north saw after the war due to the $ they were given. The only reason downtown Charleston SC is as beautifula as it is now is because of Hurrican Hugo in the late 80\’s. They were given A LOT of disaster assistance and now areas that you would not want to be in after dark are gorgeous tourist havens! I think I want to start my own suit against the government that witheld assistance to rebuild after The War of Northern Aggression.
The world has not changed much in the past 200 years. Several companies are still caught cheating and exploiting blacks. Entire black towns were slaughtered in the past simply for being nice and having more than some jealous white towns. No race has had more raped women and separated families. That said the majority of the world is still prejudice. P.S., if you are white and you are poor, you are pathetic; This system was formed for you.
I am starting a class action suit for all men against women as the descendant of women (Eve) ruined the world when she plucked the apple from the Tree. I could have lived in Paradise if it was not for the woman. I am suing the women because I can not collect from a snake. Any men want to join me?
\”Entire black towns were slaughtered in the past simply for being nice and having more than some jealous white towns.\”
Would you care to elaborate on this myth?
\”No race has had more raped women and separated families.\”
Excuse me, but you can contact the FBI and get their Uniform Crime Statistics and read for yourself – 95% of inter-racial rape is black on white. I know three white women who were raped by blacks, and one who -thanks be to God- killed her assailant with a .357 as she was attacked in her sleep in her own bed.
As for separated families, for about the tenth time – African chiefs sold their own subjects to Arab slavers. They were not captured running through the woods like OJ \”The Knife\” Simpson in \”Roots,\” they were sold to new owners by their old owners – the chiefs of their tribes.
So grow up, get a life, take responsibility for yourself and your family, and quit coveting.
While I don\’t agree with reparations since it would solve nothing this point, I think that this gives us an excellent opportunity to examine our own racist thoughts and tendencies, as exhibited by many of the comments posted. It\’s amazing how much we seem to know about Black History, especially you, Jacqueline. You should be teaching a course as you seem to be quite the authority.
Have a nice day.