incred makes some good points .. .the concern here should be the danger of an award being given for something like this. Don\’t discount the possibility since a federal court in Chicago is involved … the federal court system is not what I would call conservative in its rendering of decisions in the past few years
Instead of going after insurance companies today, these mooches should be going after the tribal chieftans that sold their ancestors to Arab slave traders.
Let\’s distinguish between using race-based rates in the 1950\’s – in violation of the U.S. Constitution and state insurance laws (remembe the \”unfairly discriminatory\”) – and slavery prior to 1863 when it was legal in this country. Whether it\’s right or not is a different issue, but at the time, it was legal.
Nobody alive today was a slave, or the child of a slave, or the grandchild of a slave. I don\’t know how far one has to go back, but the connection just isn\’t there.
Besides, how does one identify descendants of slaves owned or worked by specific defendants? Doesn\’t there have to be some connection there as well?
The fact is, this is a political question, not a legal or litigation issue. Take the problem to Congress.
After almost 40 years of welfare transfer payments, public housing (with free utilities), affirmative action and civil rights laws (which has always unfairly left out economically disenfranchised and disadvantaged poor whites that were just as poor and disadvantaged – if not poorer and more disadvantaged – than the blacks who are playing the race card) and after 4 years of bloody civil war followed by 12 harsh years of \”reconstruction\” which served to keep much of the south in extreme 3rd world-like poverty up through most of the 20th century, the debt for slavery has been paid in full.
Indeed, a total of $5,000,000,000,000 has been paid out in all manner of wealth transfers due to white guilt about wwhat was, at the time, a legal practice that was going away. For instance, it was illegal in VA to seel or buy a slave after 1840, while US Grant\’s wife owned slaves *during* Mr. Lincoln\’s War.
Has there been any major litigation in this country so far that touches on a similar topic? There have been plenty of judicial decisions on matters such as reparation payments to Holocaust victims, but these were usually paid to the victims themselves or to their spouses and children.
It looks like US Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) has been trying to get a bill passed since 1989 that would mandate research on this topic. Someone clearly has tried to take it to Congress, but hasn\’t succeeded yet.
If they get a dime, there should be a suit by the descendants of the Indians who were given the Smallpox infected blankets by same fine folks who brought us Federalism at the point of a gun, and \”Reconstruction\”.
Here is another case that should have been thrown out of Ct back in 2002. When will the Ct & public, stop these greedy lawyers and their clones from attempting to rip-off the rest of us for something that happened nearly 100 years ago?
Even today does a Corporation have the Right to insure key employee\’s? Yes, their is a financial investment & insurable interest to the corporation for some Key employees.
Forrest, I agree 100%. Also, is the group bringing this lawsuit also going to go after the black descendents of the famous black plantation owner whose last name was Ellison from one of the Carolinas? Ellison was a black slave who had bought his freedom and then bought fellow blacks – only to enslave them on his own plantation – which he got on white money. But you never hear anything about the free blacks who owned black slaves and how they were just as cruel a taskmaster as their white counterparts. While it was rare, it occurred just the same. I learned about that from an acquaintance who refers to himself as an \”Un-reconstructed Southerner\”.
Then there\’s the case where blacks who rioted basically got away with premeditated murder in the case of Yankel Rosenbaum, an Australian Jewish boy here on a student visa attending an Orthodox yeshiva school in New York.
What happened was this: In the 1990\’s in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn, a car speeding through a stop sign (or stop light) hit a car. The car that was hit was the car belonging to the famous Lubavitch Rebbe (rabbi) of the Ultra-Orthodox Chassidic Jewish community. The rebbe\’s car spun out of control when it was hit and accidently went up on the sidewalk over a curb killing a black child who was playing on the sidewalk. It was a very unfortunate accident. But the you-know-what hit the fan when the Chassidic community\’s ambulance (the Chassidic community has its own private ambulance service and medical facility, completely funded by the Chassidic Jewish community – not the public at large)took the rebbe and other occupants in the rebbe\’s car to the Chassidic medical facility, but failed to pick up the black child who was hit (Brooklyn has public hospitals and ambulances for the non-Chassidic Jewish community so it was assumed that another ambulance would arrive shortly). The blacks from the Crown Heights rioted for days, physically attacking Chassidic Jews on sight. Al Sharpton himself incited many of these riots and led rioting blacks to burn a Jewish-owned store, Freddy\’s Fashion Mart to the ground, calling Jews \”rich, blood-sucking Hymies who got rich off of poor blacks\”. Not satisfied with that, a group of young angry blacks saw Yankel Rosenbaum alone. They beat him and stabbed him to death, yelling, \”There\’s a Jew! Get the Jew! Kill that Jew *******!\” Of course, the \”white guilt\” prevailed in New York\’s court system and as a result,Yankel Rosenbaum\’s murderers got off scott-free. Civil rights for blacks – but none for anyone else. Do you think there would have been the same outcome had the murder victim been black and the perpetrators been white?
Then there\’s the case of the 3 murdered civil rights volunteers who were murdered by Klan members in Philadelphia, Miss in 1964. One was black the other two were white Jewish college kids. So us \”Hymies\” were good enough to help blacks gain with civil rights and even die for their cause in their fight for equal rights, but as you can see, the blacks have shown whites who sided with them, especially the Jewish community, exactly how that gratitude is repaid…with the burning of Freddy\’s, the cold-blooded premeditated murder of Yankel Rosenbaum, and the senseless beating of an innocent truck driver named Reginald Denny during the Watts riots.
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incred makes some good points .. .the concern here should be the danger of an award being given for something like this. Don\’t discount the possibility since a federal court in Chicago is involved … the federal court system is not what I would call conservative in its rendering of decisions in the past few years
Can one be sued for doing something legal?
Instead of going after insurance companies today, these mooches should be going after the tribal chieftans that sold their ancestors to Arab slave traders.
Let\’s distinguish between using race-based rates in the 1950\’s – in violation of the U.S. Constitution and state insurance laws (remembe the \”unfairly discriminatory\”) – and slavery prior to 1863 when it was legal in this country. Whether it\’s right or not is a different issue, but at the time, it was legal.
Nobody alive today was a slave, or the child of a slave, or the grandchild of a slave. I don\’t know how far one has to go back, but the connection just isn\’t there.
Besides, how does one identify descendants of slaves owned or worked by specific defendants? Doesn\’t there have to be some connection there as well?
The fact is, this is a political question, not a legal or litigation issue. Take the problem to Congress.
After almost 40 years of welfare transfer payments, public housing (with free utilities), affirmative action and civil rights laws (which has always unfairly left out economically disenfranchised and disadvantaged poor whites that were just as poor and disadvantaged – if not poorer and more disadvantaged – than the blacks who are playing the race card) and after 4 years of bloody civil war followed by 12 harsh years of \”reconstruction\” which served to keep much of the south in extreme 3rd world-like poverty up through most of the 20th century, the debt for slavery has been paid in full.
\”…the debt for slavery has been paid in full.\”
Indeed, a total of $5,000,000,000,000 has been paid out in all manner of wealth transfers due to white guilt about wwhat was, at the time, a legal practice that was going away. For instance, it was illegal in VA to seel or buy a slave after 1840, while US Grant\’s wife owned slaves *during* Mr. Lincoln\’s War.
Good point, tom.
Has there been any major litigation in this country so far that touches on a similar topic? There have been plenty of judicial decisions on matters such as reparation payments to Holocaust victims, but these were usually paid to the victims themselves or to their spouses and children.
It looks like US Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) has been trying to get a bill passed since 1989 that would mandate research on this topic. Someone clearly has tried to take it to Congress, but hasn\’t succeeded yet.
If they get a dime, there should be a suit by the descendants of the Indians who were given the Smallpox infected blankets by same fine folks who brought us Federalism at the point of a gun, and \”Reconstruction\”.
13 September 2006
Here is another case that should have been thrown out of Ct back in 2002. When will the Ct & public, stop these greedy lawyers and their clones from attempting to rip-off the rest of us for something that happened nearly 100 years ago?
Even today does a Corporation have the Right to insure key employee\’s? Yes, their is a financial investment & insurable interest to the corporation for some Key employees.
Forrest, I agree 100%. Also, is the group bringing this lawsuit also going to go after the black descendents of the famous black plantation owner whose last name was Ellison from one of the Carolinas? Ellison was a black slave who had bought his freedom and then bought fellow blacks – only to enslave them on his own plantation – which he got on white money. But you never hear anything about the free blacks who owned black slaves and how they were just as cruel a taskmaster as their white counterparts. While it was rare, it occurred just the same. I learned about that from an acquaintance who refers to himself as an \”Un-reconstructed Southerner\”.
Then there\’s the case where blacks who rioted basically got away with premeditated murder in the case of Yankel Rosenbaum, an Australian Jewish boy here on a student visa attending an Orthodox yeshiva school in New York.
What happened was this: In the 1990\’s in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn, a car speeding through a stop sign (or stop light) hit a car. The car that was hit was the car belonging to the famous Lubavitch Rebbe (rabbi) of the Ultra-Orthodox Chassidic Jewish community. The rebbe\’s car spun out of control when it was hit and accidently went up on the sidewalk over a curb killing a black child who was playing on the sidewalk. It was a very unfortunate accident. But the you-know-what hit the fan when the Chassidic community\’s ambulance (the Chassidic community has its own private ambulance service and medical facility, completely funded by the Chassidic Jewish community – not the public at large)took the rebbe and other occupants in the rebbe\’s car to the Chassidic medical facility, but failed to pick up the black child who was hit (Brooklyn has public hospitals and ambulances for the non-Chassidic Jewish community so it was assumed that another ambulance would arrive shortly). The blacks from the Crown Heights rioted for days, physically attacking Chassidic Jews on sight. Al Sharpton himself incited many of these riots and led rioting blacks to burn a Jewish-owned store, Freddy\’s Fashion Mart to the ground, calling Jews \”rich, blood-sucking Hymies who got rich off of poor blacks\”. Not satisfied with that, a group of young angry blacks saw Yankel Rosenbaum alone. They beat him and stabbed him to death, yelling, \”There\’s a Jew! Get the Jew! Kill that Jew *******!\” Of course, the \”white guilt\” prevailed in New York\’s court system and as a result,Yankel Rosenbaum\’s murderers got off scott-free. Civil rights for blacks – but none for anyone else. Do you think there would have been the same outcome had the murder victim been black and the perpetrators been white?
Then there\’s the case of the 3 murdered civil rights volunteers who were murdered by Klan members in Philadelphia, Miss in 1964. One was black the other two were white Jewish college kids. So us \”Hymies\” were good enough to help blacks gain with civil rights and even die for their cause in their fight for equal rights, but as you can see, the blacks have shown whites who sided with them, especially the Jewish community, exactly how that gratitude is repaid…with the burning of Freddy\’s, the cold-blooded premeditated murder of Yankel Rosenbaum, and the senseless beating of an innocent truck driver named Reginald Denny during the Watts riots.
My great great great great Uncle Jacob was a buffalo hunter. After all the buffalo were gone…..
Oh, never mind.