does he want to make a name for himself? sounds really like he’s fishing for something — possibly money? he’s not thinking outside the box – or even in the box for that matter. this bailout was not for religious reasons. next thing he’ll claim is that the automobiles have a religious influence….
He has already made a name for himself with other proclamations which the group has made, primarily leading the calls for prosecution of Dr. Kevorkian, so no.
He has a weird point with the suit, although I believe that the timing of actions will come into effect.
The first amendment indicates that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…’ Respecting in this case not meaning ‘to give honor to’ but the more general meaning of ‘regarding.’
In this situation, Congress has made a law in which they are supporting a company which is making available a specific religious product. They can not do this. They are forbidden from making laws regarding any religions at all.
Now, the arguments for this being ok…
1st) When they made the law (the bailout plan) they may not have been aware of this product being launched. If they were & still went forward, then someone could be in trouble.
2nd) This isn’t as much a law regarding a religion as much as it was a law regarding a company which has a product regarding a religion. The connection is pretty darn nebulous at best, but this is actually a great argument about why the government taking OWNERSHIP of a company is a horrible idea. It then starts raising these legal questions about if the government as an owner in a private company can provide products to meet the needs of various religions.
I don’t believe that this product directly supports the religion in any sense, although there could be an argument of financial gain by the members due to a cheaper/more readily available product… which would make this a viable case.
Can’t give tax breaks to the left-handed worshipers of Beenu without giving them to the splinter sect of those right-handed worshipers of Beenu also.
I wish that the group bringing the suit was a little less ‘foaming at the mouth’ because the case could have some merit.
Shariah forbids investment in companies that make weapons? Why, how can one practice Islam without weapons?
Sura 5:38 Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful.
Sura 9:5 “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them…”
Please — this is entirely without merit. AIG identified an underserved segment of the population and developed a product to target that segment. This was not done to advance Islam, but to (gasp) MAKE MONEY.
The federal reserve’s ‘bailout’ loan to AIG is no more advancing Islam than agricultural subsidies to farmers who sell cows to Hebrew National Hot Dogs promotes Judaism.
AIG is not crafting policies/coverage for churches as such. There’s nothing a church needs that everyone else needs.
There are explicitly Christian money market funds that cater to Christians that promise not to invest in booze, gambling, porn etc. Should they receive govt bailouts?
Again, the funny part of the IJ article is when it says that shariah law forbids investing in weapons. You can’t make this stuff up!
So…by this guy’s standards, if gov’t ownership of this Shariya-compliant company promotes Islam, then what does the gov’t’s ban on even the MENTION of birth control or abortion say about which side it’s rooting for in the religious wars? Thomas More was a logician, among other things, and he must be spinning in his grave over this…unless that allies him unfairly with the Dervishes and promotes Hinduism…
>what does the gov’t’s ban on even the MENTION of birth control or abortion say about which side it’s rooting for in the religious wars?
Uh, the govt gives money to Planned Barrenhood, in case you didn’t know. And there are atheists who are prolife. Abortion is a crime against humanity, abhorance for which no religious dogma is required.
Selling banking and insurance products annotated by the Koran would be much more of an anti-1st Amendment endorsement of religion than prayer in school, specifically because the 1st Amendment mentions congress, and is silent about school boards.
Ok,
He filed a suit that will likeley be shut down. But if he in fact served in Iraq, then he of all people has the right to file a suit and get his day in court.
He put his skin in the game for the rest of us. Thanks for serving. Hope you sent some of the locals to see Allah while you were there.
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does he want to make a name for himself? sounds really like he’s fishing for something — possibly money? he’s not thinking outside the box – or even in the box for that matter. this bailout was not for religious reasons. next thing he’ll claim is that the automobiles have a religious influence….
He has already made a name for himself with other proclamations which the group has made, primarily leading the calls for prosecution of Dr. Kevorkian, so no.
He has a weird point with the suit, although I believe that the timing of actions will come into effect.
The first amendment indicates that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…’ Respecting in this case not meaning ‘to give honor to’ but the more general meaning of ‘regarding.’
In this situation, Congress has made a law in which they are supporting a company which is making available a specific religious product. They can not do this. They are forbidden from making laws regarding any religions at all.
Now, the arguments for this being ok…
1st) When they made the law (the bailout plan) they may not have been aware of this product being launched. If they were & still went forward, then someone could be in trouble.
2nd) This isn’t as much a law regarding a religion as much as it was a law regarding a company which has a product regarding a religion. The connection is pretty darn nebulous at best, but this is actually a great argument about why the government taking OWNERSHIP of a company is a horrible idea. It then starts raising these legal questions about if the government as an owner in a private company can provide products to meet the needs of various religions.
I don’t believe that this product directly supports the religion in any sense, although there could be an argument of financial gain by the members due to a cheaper/more readily available product… which would make this a viable case.
Can’t give tax breaks to the left-handed worshipers of Beenu without giving them to the splinter sect of those right-handed worshipers of Beenu also.
I wish that the group bringing the suit was a little less ‘foaming at the mouth’ because the case could have some merit.
Shariah forbids investment in companies that make weapons? Why, how can one practice Islam without weapons?
Sura 5:38 Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful.
Sura 9:5 “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them…”
Please — this is entirely without merit. AIG identified an underserved segment of the population and developed a product to target that segment. This was not done to advance Islam, but to (gasp) MAKE MONEY.
The federal reserve’s ‘bailout’ loan to AIG is no more advancing Islam than agricultural subsidies to farmers who sell cows to Hebrew National Hot Dogs promotes Judaism.
Well said!! Look at the Christian entities (churches, etc.) that have insurance through an AIG affiliate – isn’t that the same?
What is fair for the goose should be fair for the gander…
AIG is not crafting policies/coverage for churches as such. There’s nothing a church needs that everyone else needs.
There are explicitly Christian money market funds that cater to Christians that promise not to invest in booze, gambling, porn etc. Should they receive govt bailouts?
Again, the funny part of the IJ article is when it says that shariah law forbids investing in weapons. You can’t make this stuff up!
So…by this guy’s standards, if gov’t ownership of this Shariya-compliant company promotes Islam, then what does the gov’t’s ban on even the MENTION of birth control or abortion say about which side it’s rooting for in the religious wars? Thomas More was a logician, among other things, and he must be spinning in his grave over this…unless that allies him unfairly with the Dervishes and promotes Hinduism…
>what does the gov’t’s ban on even the MENTION of birth control or abortion say about which side it’s rooting for in the religious wars?
Uh, the govt gives money to Planned Barrenhood, in case you didn’t know. And there are atheists who are prolife. Abortion is a crime against humanity, abhorance for which no religious dogma is required.
Selling banking and insurance products annotated by the Koran would be much more of an anti-1st Amendment endorsement of religion than prayer in school, specifically because the 1st Amendment mentions congress, and is silent about school boards.
Ok,
He filed a suit that will likeley be shut down. But if he in fact served in Iraq, then he of all people has the right to file a suit and get his day in court.
He put his skin in the game for the rest of us. Thanks for serving. Hope you sent some of the locals to see Allah while you were there.
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