Bayer’s Other Legal Mess: An Old Liability Many Have Forgotten

By Jef Feeley and Tim Loh | July 23, 2019

  • July 23, 2019 at 12:57 pm
    Tont says:
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    Monsanto today is literally not the same company that made PCBs. That company is Solutia but as a way to get the ag part of the company away from pharmaceutical wing of Pharmacia they took on the name of Monsanto and the liabilities if Solutia couldn’t pay Solutia went bankrupt so Monsanto took on the liabilities including pension funds. Then Bay bought Monsanto. Monsanto did not hid the data on glyphosate/ RoundUp that is why none of the government agencies around the world have sued Monsanto for hiding data. Only a jury of laypersons who have been fooled by lawyers have said they should have label the product as carcinogenic even though that would be a lie and deceptive based on the data and the consensus opinion of US, Canadian, Mexican, EU, South African and Australian EPAs.

    If glyphosate causes the cancer so much why has the incidence of that cancer been constant even though the use of the herbicide went up 1000 fold?????????

  • July 23, 2019 at 11:19 pm
    cynthia hawkins says:
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    There has been a dramatic increase in lymphoma. The below article is from 2001, The Journal of the National Cancer Institute.
    I myself used Roundup. I carried a 2 gallon sprayer on my back. The sprayer leaked. Roundup got on my back numerous times. I used gloves because I was dealing with poison Ivy. I have the same type spots on my back that the 1st victim who won his case were shown on his hands on his hands. I have B-Cell NHL, marginal zone, on my back. It will eventually spread.
    Read the article almost 20 years old. Note Roundup came to the market late 1970. First quote says it all though.
    “Back in 1991, the National Cancer Institute sponsored a 2-day workshop to ponder the mysterious “emerging epidemic” of non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. A decade later, the mystery persists, and NHL cases continue to rise. “It’s been quite dramatic,” says pathologist Dennis Weisenburger, M.D., of the University of Nebraska. “Something is clearly going on, and we don’t understand it.”
    https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/93/7/494/2906510
    Also note, Agent Orange another Defoliate product was made by Monsanto, also was linked to…B-Cell Lymphoma.

    • July 25, 2019 at 12:01 pm
      Tont says:
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      well lets see the results from a massive survey of 50,000 reported 2 years ago that concludes:
      “In this large, prospective cohort study, no association was apparent between glyphosate and any solid tumors or lymphoid malignancies overall, including NHL and its subtypes. There was some evidence of increased risk of AML among the highest exposed group that requires confirmation.”
      https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/110/5/509/4590280

      You can study a chemical’s effect on individual cells and conclude just about everything can harm it — e.g. put too much water or Dove soap into a human cell culture and the cells will die. So any lab scale test is not a guide to certain toxicity to people. What matters in the end to resolve the argument is look at the people who are most exposed and see if they have a statistically higher level fo any disease. Also when you look at this data you should see an even higher incidence of the disease as exposure increases – it should not go down.

      So studying and assessing this is complex which is why the true EPA scientists and those in the EU and many other countries who are used to looking at this data, have said glyphosate Roundup does NOT cause cancer

      Also you have to consider what farmers etc will use if they didn’t have glyphosate – they would be allowed to use more toxic chemicals which don’t have the politics that glyphosate has around it. This would cause even more harm. It is not possible to conduct the food production we need without herbicides – it would be great if people would encourage more research to make even safer herbicides than glyphosate but most crops that would use such a herbicide would have to be genetically engineered to be resistant to the new herbicide and the anti-glyphosate people would be even more against that.

    • July 25, 2019 at 12:14 pm
      Tont says:
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      I will mention again that while a company called Monsanto made PCBs and agent orange in the past todays Monsanto DID”T they became a mainly biology company in about 2000 not the chemical company. Its only chemical then was then glyphosate. No-one who owed Monsanto in 2018 when it became part of Bayer worked there now or today likely worked for the old Monsanto that made Pcbs etc in the 1970’s

      So blaming new Monsanto or even Bayer for PCBs etc is like blaming a 19 year old germans for Hitler – it would be ridiculous – would I blame you for what your father or mother did ????

      No.

      If you took on the legal liability of what your father did you would be liable but you are not criminally liable for what your father did.

      For agent orange the problem is that the harmless herbicide had a tiny amount of a more toxic chemical that none of the chemical companies knew about when they made it in the science inadequate pre1970’s. Several companies made the chemical and were REQUIRED to supply the US government with the chemical to help save US saves in the Vietnam war by exposing enemy attacks routes. The US government was responsible for handling and spraying the chemical against the rules that would protect people.

      As such the companies including old Monsanto were not liable for its incorrect use.
      You will not hear anyone who is against new Monsanto mentioning the other company names (such as Dow Chemical ) who made the agent orange because they are not a principally group of people with the goal to reduce herbicide use but rather are just anti-Monsanto. Monsanto today doesn’t make that old herbicide but Dow does (without the toxic byproduct) but Dow – now Corteva is rarely called out as an agent orange producer in the past or now. Dow has also produced their own GMO seed resistant to their agent orange herbicide but is rarely targeted -why is that?

    • July 29, 2019 at 11:01 am
      Interested says:
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      Good luck to you. I hope and pray they find a cure so that you get well.

    • July 30, 2019 at 7:05 pm
      Tont says:
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      why did you carry a spray on your back? and after the first time it got on your back why didn’t you correct the problem so it didn’t get on your back. What ever chemical you are using you should not have it contact your body. It was extremely negligent on your part to have it keep leaking on your body. I carry a 1 gallon container in my gloved hands whatever I am spraying. If it gets on my skin I have a bucket of water ready to wash it off.

      There are thousands of studies on glyphosate and like any scientific investigation you will get some data that contradicts the main. Part of science is to reassess based on those odd results and see if they see something that wasn’t caught before. The evidence that we have climate change is very high but 1% or even more of scientists may suggest otherwise – that doesn’t mean we accept their theory to be true. The consensus is glyphosate is not a carcinogen.

      I am sure you know that there are many other factors that affect your chances of getting non-hodgkins lymphoma (by the way I know Hodgkins son and he is in medicine and he is also convinced glyphosate is not a carcinogen). Do you have any immune disorders? EBV? Had mono when younger .

      Its great to blame chemicals for all our diseases I have type II diabetes – I could blame a bunch of meds I was on – there is a link in science literature but I also have to blame myself for not keeping down my carbo intake. Those meds I took help for other problem I had and I could be the 1 in 100 who get diabetes from them but there is no way to provide it. I guess I could get some good lawyers and persuade a jury that the meds played a role but I would rather deal with it going forward.

    • July 30, 2019 at 7:07 pm
      Tont says:
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      here is a graph of the incidence of B cell lymphoma – it did not go up and stay up after the use of glyphosate increased.
      https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/dlbcl.html

    • July 30, 2019 at 7:24 pm
      tont says:
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      I just graphed the incidence of the cancer versus glyphosate with time and the cancer rate went up in about 1985 and then reached a plateau in about 1990. The use of glyphosate massively increased starting in 1996 and there is no association with the increase in cancer.

      Google “use of glyphosate over time” to get the glyphosate use data

    • February 15, 2020 at 2:22 am
      Mike says:
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      The increase in cancer predated the high use of glyphosate so is not caused by glyphosate



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