Vermont Supreme Court Upholds Fraternal Club Sex Bias Ruling

March 27, 2008

  • March 27, 2008 at 3:04 am
    Willy says:
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    Madame Judge, meet the First Amendment:

    “Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble…”

  • March 27, 2008 at 3:05 am
    WISam says:
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    You go girl (or should I not use that un-PC word?). I agree with you 100%. Also, what effect will this have on other organization such as American Legion, Moose, Am Vets (just to name a few). All of them have primary male membership and an auxilliary branch for the women. I do not know much about ELKS, but thought that they too had a Woman’s auxilliary that participates in the charity works of the organization.

  • March 27, 2008 at 3:11 am
    Nobody Important says:
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    I recall that not 15 years ago the Elks had to be sued to let black men into their organization. They offer themselves as a target. Let the women in, they will find out it’s for old, boring men and they will quit immediately.

  • March 27, 2008 at 3:37 am
    KOB says:
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    I, for one have no problem with a gender specific, or even race-specific club, as long as that club does not infringe upon the rights of non-members, or promote itself to be superior over any other gender or race, or does not receive any unfairly discriminatory advantage over another group.

  • March 27, 2008 at 3:50 am
    Nobody Important says:
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    The Elks were ok back then with black waiters and cooks, just not members. I had to attend a meeting once and I thought I was in the Confederacy in 1862.

  • March 27, 2008 at 4:07 am
    Willy says:
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    There’s nothing wrong with preferring the company of your own kind. See the First Amendment, which has not been repealed (yet).

    Furthermore, gender refers to masculine/feminine. Sex refers to male/female. Why do you think that this usage has changed? I don’t know, I’m wondering.

  • March 27, 2008 at 5:52 am
    KOB says:
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    Gee Willy…. I don’t know why I used “gender” instead of “sex”. I guess if I used ‘sex-specific clubs’ a casual reader might think that I was referring to a club where men go to have sex, with whatever type of animal (male/female) that club offers. Is that what really goes on behind those doors????

    Tanx fa edjakating me!

  • March 27, 2008 at 6:27 am
    lastbat says:
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    Funny, I always thought “sex” and “gender” were fairly interchangeable (at least that’s what they taught me in San Francisco!).

  • March 28, 2008 at 8:31 am
    Willy says:
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    I wasn’t slamming you, I’m just wondering why we stopped using the word sex in favor of gender, is all.

  • March 28, 2008 at 8:32 am
    Al says:
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    You may have hit the proverbial nail on the head, LB!



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