The towns of CareFree and Cave Creek Arizona have noise ordinance laws and occasionally you see a Sheriff\’s car with a Microphone on the side of the road. While my Harley has unmodified Vance & Hines pipes, they\’re still under the limits. The people that drill out the baffles are inconsiderate and should be fined. So are the kids with the soup can mufflers and sub-woofers. But even though I\’m legal you probably still wouldn\’t like my bike.
Thank Jebus AZ doesn\’t have a helmet law!
I still think you\’re imposing your will by legislating my safety. Freedom should include a healthy dose of choice and that choice should include risky behaviors.
I know Chuck Umbenhauer and can tell you that he knows how to ride safely….why should he wear a helmet? Who is this law going to protect but that segement of the population who need to be told not to do lots of things, like putting their fingers into an electric socket? Choice is a good thing as far as I\’m concerned; and those who make a bad choice should bear the burden of their decision. What costs have gone up? Let\’s see the data!
EVERY weekday at 5AM on the road in fron of my house, some kid winds his bike up for a quarter mile and then sings over the hill for the next mile and a half; he sure enjoys himself but it doesn\’t wake me up since I am already drinking my coffee; my wife is waiting for the sound of him taking himself out of the gene pool one of these morning but I do sympathize because it really is bothersome, if you are sleeping. Now a Harley has a low drone and not only that, the guys riding the Harleys are not trying to break the world land speed record on the road out front…..need I say more?
Here is my 2 cents: One: I sympathize with you; I think those kids with the loud mufflers and sub-woofers ought to be fined for damaging your quality of life. Two, I think if someone wants to go helmetless, let them. Let\’s just make sure that if they are uninsured, that they get only the minimal life-saving measures, no heroic, costly medical procedures and certainly no assisted living care, since they neglected to protect themselves in the first place. I no longer ride so this is not my problem. IfI don\’t play the game, why should I make the rules?
Stat Guy is showing a LOT more common sense than Harley who needs to get out of his rut. Maybe Harley can move to Antartica where the only noise is natural and he won\’t be bothered by humans.
It ain\’t humans that bother me, at least not all humans: it\’s un-mufflered motors. No one can tell me why cars need mufflers but not hogs. If cars must have mufflers and horns, why not bikes? And if loud pipes constitute your safety program, then let\’s take the mufflers off of cars to, to make them more safe. Or let\’s ban bikes between the hours of 7AM and 9PM so we can enjoy quite repose in our homes.
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Harley,
The towns of CareFree and Cave Creek Arizona have noise ordinance laws and occasionally you see a Sheriff\’s car with a Microphone on the side of the road. While my Harley has unmodified Vance & Hines pipes, they\’re still under the limits. The people that drill out the baffles are inconsiderate and should be fined. So are the kids with the soup can mufflers and sub-woofers. But even though I\’m legal you probably still wouldn\’t like my bike.
Thank Jebus AZ doesn\’t have a helmet law!
I still think you\’re imposing your will by legislating my safety. Freedom should include a healthy dose of choice and that choice should include risky behaviors.
I know Chuck Umbenhauer and can tell you that he knows how to ride safely….why should he wear a helmet? Who is this law going to protect but that segement of the population who need to be told not to do lots of things, like putting their fingers into an electric socket? Choice is a good thing as far as I\’m concerned; and those who make a bad choice should bear the burden of their decision. What costs have gone up? Let\’s see the data!
\”Conclusion: Exempting adult motorcycle riders from wearing motorcycle helmets is counterproductive for motorcyclists’ health and unnecessarily increases insurance and medical care expenses.\”
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1448295
Mufflers and helmets for all!
EVERY weekday at 5AM on the road in fron of my house, some kid winds his bike up for a quarter mile and then sings over the hill for the next mile and a half; he sure enjoys himself but it doesn\’t wake me up since I am already drinking my coffee; my wife is waiting for the sound of him taking himself out of the gene pool one of these morning but I do sympathize because it really is bothersome, if you are sleeping. Now a Harley has a low drone and not only that, the guys riding the Harleys are not trying to break the world land speed record on the road out front…..need I say more?
You had better say more, since it isn\’t clear to me whether you\’re calling me a liar or recommending that I shoot the hog rider.
Here is my 2 cents: One: I sympathize with you; I think those kids with the loud mufflers and sub-woofers ought to be fined for damaging your quality of life. Two, I think if someone wants to go helmetless, let them. Let\’s just make sure that if they are uninsured, that they get only the minimal life-saving measures, no heroic, costly medical procedures and certainly no assisted living care, since they neglected to protect themselves in the first place. I no longer ride so this is not my problem. IfI don\’t play the game, why should I make the rules?
Why should you make the rules? Because you pay the freight, AND have to listen to the noise.
What\’s sauce for the goose (passenger vehicles) is sause for the gander (murdercycles).
Mufflers and helmets for all!
Stat Guy is showing a LOT more common sense than Harley who needs to get out of his rut. Maybe Harley can move to Antartica where the only noise is natural and he won\’t be bothered by humans.
It ain\’t humans that bother me, at least not all humans: it\’s un-mufflered motors. No one can tell me why cars need mufflers but not hogs. If cars must have mufflers and horns, why not bikes? And if loud pipes constitute your safety program, then let\’s take the mufflers off of cars to, to make them more safe. Or let\’s ban bikes between the hours of 7AM and 9PM so we can enjoy quite repose in our homes.
Mufflers for all!
one more thing about no helmet….I\’ll bet it sure is FUN riding a bike on a desert highway in AZ!