Thats exactly why the CFI would have taken over in the case of any emergency. I know at least a dozen expert witnesses who could testify to that fact for the widow. The aircraft requires only one pilot (as opposed to a transport category aircraft like a 737), so he was not a required crewmember. Regardless of the controls in front of him, all students are coached to be completely \”hands off\” when the instructor says \”my airplane\”.
Chances of Lidle acting as pilot at the time of the crash are exactly 0.
Pleeeese give me a break! He owned the plane, he was a inexperienced but licenced pilot, he was sitting in the front left \”captains\” seat in full reach of all the controls. The instructor was in the CO-Pilots seat (emphasis on CO) The fact that there was no flight plan filed means zilch.
If the widow\’s attorney can\’t convince the court he was a passenger maybe argue Lidle is the father of Anna Nicole\’s baby!
Just curious…how do you know lidle was in the captain\’s chair? I looked at the article again and didn\’t see that mentioned. Was that found in an article elsewhere? Thanks.
Except that ANY pilot will tell you when an instructor is on board, he is in charge. In ANY emergency no matter who owns the aircraft, the instructor takes over, no questions asked. Instructors always fly from the right seat; my instructor flew from the right seat even when he was flying solo, because he felt more comfortable there.
Lidle was not the flying pilot and not a required crewmember.
I\’m not a pilot and know very little about flying. Perhaps somebody who knows can answer this. Don\’t they radio a tower and let them know who the pilot is or log their hours (Maybe that\’s done afterwards.) or generally give what the plan is?
Logging flight hours is, believe it or not, an \”honor system\” event. Control towers actually have no idea whom is flying, though IF they file a flight plan, the filing pilot puts his name and phone number on the form. In this case, they may not have even filed a flight plan (its not required for visual flight rules), though with an instructor on board its likely they did file one. And its likely Lidle was the filing pilot, as the instructor would have told him to do it.
They would have been in communication with air traffic control during their transition of the \”corridor\” through NYC Class B Airspace. However as far as who was flying at the time of the crash, one can only make guesses based upon normal practice. Normal practice would be for the instructor to take over in case of emergency.
NTSB investigator\’s initial statements, VFR sightseeing flight without filght plan and no conversation with air traffic control other than departing Teterboro tower.
The cirrus has side stick controls activated by wrist action and are very light to the touch. It would be unlikely that the instructor could wrestle the control input away from and athlete frozen on the control.
Speaking of lawsuits, another tenent living some 40 stories away, a high rolling dentist (patients include Donald Trump to name one) known for being suit happy is also suing the widow and everyone else connected, too many to mention, because apparently he sustained \”some damage and inconvenience\”.
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Thats exactly why the CFI would have taken over in the case of any emergency. I know at least a dozen expert witnesses who could testify to that fact for the widow. The aircraft requires only one pilot (as opposed to a transport category aircraft like a 737), so he was not a required crewmember. Regardless of the controls in front of him, all students are coached to be completely \”hands off\” when the instructor says \”my airplane\”.
Chances of Lidle acting as pilot at the time of the crash are exactly 0.
Pleeeese give me a break! He owned the plane, he was a inexperienced but licenced pilot, he was sitting in the front left \”captains\” seat in full reach of all the controls. The instructor was in the CO-Pilots seat (emphasis on CO) The fact that there was no flight plan filed means zilch.
If the widow\’s attorney can\’t convince the court he was a passenger maybe argue Lidle is the father of Anna Nicole\’s baby!
Just curious…how do you know lidle was in the captain\’s chair? I looked at the article again and didn\’t see that mentioned. Was that found in an article elsewhere? Thanks.
Except that ANY pilot will tell you when an instructor is on board, he is in charge. In ANY emergency no matter who owns the aircraft, the instructor takes over, no questions asked. Instructors always fly from the right seat; my instructor flew from the right seat even when he was flying solo, because he felt more comfortable there.
Lidle was not the flying pilot and not a required crewmember.
maybe he wasn\’t flying, but he could have been serving drinks?
No beverage cart, but I think he might have been in the lavatory…
I\’m not a pilot and know very little about flying. Perhaps somebody who knows can answer this. Don\’t they radio a tower and let them know who the pilot is or log their hours (Maybe that\’s done afterwards.) or generally give what the plan is?
Anybody know what the normal procedure is?
Logging flight hours is, believe it or not, an \”honor system\” event. Control towers actually have no idea whom is flying, though IF they file a flight plan, the filing pilot puts his name and phone number on the form. In this case, they may not have even filed a flight plan (its not required for visual flight rules), though with an instructor on board its likely they did file one. And its likely Lidle was the filing pilot, as the instructor would have told him to do it.
They would have been in communication with air traffic control during their transition of the \”corridor\” through NYC Class B Airspace. However as far as who was flying at the time of the crash, one can only make guesses based upon normal practice. Normal practice would be for the instructor to take over in case of emergency.
NTSB investigator\’s initial statements, VFR sightseeing flight without filght plan and no conversation with air traffic control other than departing Teterboro tower.
The cirrus has side stick controls activated by wrist action and are very light to the touch. It would be unlikely that the instructor could wrestle the control input away from and athlete frozen on the control.
Speaking of lawsuits, another tenent living some 40 stories away, a high rolling dentist (patients include Donald Trump to name one) known for being suit happy is also suing the widow and everyone else connected, too many to mention, because apparently he sustained \”some damage and inconvenience\”.