What good will this invasion of privacy do? As one of the 300 million foreign visitors that come to the US each year, a terrorist who enters legally as did the 9-11 terrorists will easily board a plane by showing the passport from their country of origin and, in most states, can legally drive for 30 days using their foreign license.
Also, two things the article does not mention:
Every license will be digitally encoded with all the information the government has on you. I am talking about not only your license number but other information such as your address and phone number. There is a dispute as to how dangerous this feature will be. The Feds say the license will have to be within a few inches of a card reader while others say it will be easy to get the equipment needed to scan from farther away. If the opponents are correct, that guy behind you in the line at the store may have just captured everything he needs to apply for credit in your name. In any event, if a story needs id (and I bet lots will want to see ID even with a credit card just to cut down on fraud) you will need to watch the clerk to make sure it isn’t scanned for identity theft. Actually, there is nothing in the federal law to prevent a store from reading the information encrypted on the license as a normal course of business and retaining this information in it’s computers.
All the information will be available on a national database and available not only to MV Departments but also police and others. That sounds great but think about some clerk at a DMV office a thousand miles away having access to everything needed for id theft. Or what about a clerk in a police department with access to the PD’s computer? You think ever PD in small towns with a few cops is going to hire a computer security consultant to prevent unauthorized access?
This is a feel good measure that does nothing to protect us and leaves us open to invasions of privacy. The House in NH last year voted to reject the Real ID Act but the State Senate killed the bill. Hopefully things will be better this year.
As far as I am concerned we need to do something. If someone is considered an illegal alien why should they have the same rights as a tax paying citizen of this country. This plan may not be the right one, but I still am not able to grasp why this concept is so invasive. The information we must provide it not that big a deal…
Bob and Scott are absoluetly right! Who are you out thee that supports this crap? Left leaning, guilty white idiot commies and people with the nemaes Jose and Maria. Get the hell out of here!
[quote]Something else, genius – if this federal law was going to be funded by federal revenues, where do you think that money somes from – a giant money tree somewhere? The states would have to pay for it one way or another, whether it was an unfunded mandate or not.[/quote]
Unfunded mandates are a way for Congress to take credit for getting things done without taking any responsibility for the cost of their decisions. Congress would never pass RealID as a *funded* mandate, because they know the money isn\’t there, it will require tax increases. So instead they can try to force the states to pay for it, making state Legislatures take the heat for raising taxes or cutting basic services.
By mandating a national database, with nationally-available certified copies of birth records, SSNs, and other required identification, RealID is a de-facto *national* identity card, not a state driver\’s license.
Why should the cost of my uninsured motorist coverage go up because some cheapskate in D.C. wants to make my local license clerk responsible for clearly Federal responsibilities?
The DMV can\’t deport people, it can\’t detain them, it can only prevent them from getting licensed and insured, then let them walk back out the door.
If you want immigration enforcement, split INS back out of the DHS bureaucracy and give it adequate funding from Congress. Don\’t try to shift its job onto licensing clerks.
This isn\’t about terrorism or illegal immigration! It\’s about a national ID card! It\’s about big brother, a police sate, and creeping fascism. Wake up.
Wow! Scott\’s really not too bright. I am FIRMLY opposed to the flood of illegal immigrants in the U.S. I am also aware that Real ID will do NOTHING to stop it.
In several states illegal aliens are not issued drivers licenses. They ride bicycles. Maybe Scott needs to RETHINK this.
They don\’t have to raise taxes, they can borrow money. If the states want an end to unfunded mandates they can sue the federal government in a constitutional challenge to the whole concept. Think that\’ll happen?
I doubt the states would have standing to sue, since most unfunded mandates are written as a carrot-and-stick, not a direct mandate. They don\’t directly order the state to do something, that would violate federalist principles. They offer the states money to do something (e.g. interstate highway funds for tougher DUI laws).
Or, in the case of RealID, they define what a state has to do if it wants its driver\’s licenses to function as national ID cards. A state that chooses not to comply can still license its drivers, but those licenses won\’t be valid as national identity cards for boarding planes, entering federal buildings, etc.
Note also that Utah is *already* running two-tiered licensing systems that allow illegals to get licensed and insured. (OOOH those hippie liberal Mormons are at it again!)
So is Tennessee, another hotbed of left-coast liberalism.
Maine has passed legislation refusing to comply and requesting that Congress repeal the law.
The Peoples Republic of Montana is on the list, too, with legislation pending refusing to comply. Georgia, too.
And Massachusetts, but of course you\’d expect that from the Tea Party State.
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What good will this invasion of privacy do? As one of the 300 million foreign visitors that come to the US each year, a terrorist who enters legally as did the 9-11 terrorists will easily board a plane by showing the passport from their country of origin and, in most states, can legally drive for 30 days using their foreign license.
Also, two things the article does not mention:
Every license will be digitally encoded with all the information the government has on you. I am talking about not only your license number but other information such as your address and phone number. There is a dispute as to how dangerous this feature will be. The Feds say the license will have to be within a few inches of a card reader while others say it will be easy to get the equipment needed to scan from farther away. If the opponents are correct, that guy behind you in the line at the store may have just captured everything he needs to apply for credit in your name. In any event, if a story needs id (and I bet lots will want to see ID even with a credit card just to cut down on fraud) you will need to watch the clerk to make sure it isn’t scanned for identity theft. Actually, there is nothing in the federal law to prevent a store from reading the information encrypted on the license as a normal course of business and retaining this information in it’s computers.
All the information will be available on a national database and available not only to MV Departments but also police and others. That sounds great but think about some clerk at a DMV office a thousand miles away having access to everything needed for id theft. Or what about a clerk in a police department with access to the PD’s computer? You think ever PD in small towns with a few cops is going to hire a computer security consultant to prevent unauthorized access?
This is a feel good measure that does nothing to protect us and leaves us open to invasions of privacy. The House in NH last year voted to reject the Real ID Act but the State Senate killed the bill. Hopefully things will be better this year.
For info see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act
As far as I am concerned we need to do something. If someone is considered an illegal alien why should they have the same rights as a tax paying citizen of this country. This plan may not be the right one, but I still am not able to grasp why this concept is so invasive. The information we must provide it not that big a deal…
Bob and Scott are absoluetly right! Who are you out thee that supports this crap? Left leaning, guilty white idiot commies and people with the nemaes Jose and Maria. Get the hell out of here!
Mercy, I dread that this will lead to bondage.
[quote]Something else, genius – if this federal law was going to be funded by federal revenues, where do you think that money somes from – a giant money tree somewhere? The states would have to pay for it one way or another, whether it was an unfunded mandate or not.[/quote]
Unfunded mandates are a way for Congress to take credit for getting things done without taking any responsibility for the cost of their decisions. Congress would never pass RealID as a *funded* mandate, because they know the money isn\’t there, it will require tax increases. So instead they can try to force the states to pay for it, making state Legislatures take the heat for raising taxes or cutting basic services.
By mandating a national database, with nationally-available certified copies of birth records, SSNs, and other required identification, RealID is a de-facto *national* identity card, not a state driver\’s license.
Why should the cost of my uninsured motorist coverage go up because some cheapskate in D.C. wants to make my local license clerk responsible for clearly Federal responsibilities?
The DMV can\’t deport people, it can\’t detain them, it can only prevent them from getting licensed and insured, then let them walk back out the door.
If you want immigration enforcement, split INS back out of the DHS bureaucracy and give it adequate funding from Congress. Don\’t try to shift its job onto licensing clerks.
Check out: http://www.realnightmare.org
This isn\’t about terrorism or illegal immigration! It\’s about a national ID card! It\’s about big brother, a police sate, and creeping fascism. Wake up.
Wow! Scott\’s really not too bright. I am FIRMLY opposed to the flood of illegal immigrants in the U.S. I am also aware that Real ID will do NOTHING to stop it.
In several states illegal aliens are not issued drivers licenses. They ride bicycles. Maybe Scott needs to RETHINK this.
http://www.realnightmare.org
They don\’t have to raise taxes, they can borrow money. If the states want an end to unfunded mandates they can sue the federal government in a constitutional challenge to the whole concept. Think that\’ll happen?
I doubt the states would have standing to sue, since most unfunded mandates are written as a carrot-and-stick, not a direct mandate. They don\’t directly order the state to do something, that would violate federalist principles. They offer the states money to do something (e.g. interstate highway funds for tougher DUI laws).
Or, in the case of RealID, they define what a state has to do if it wants its driver\’s licenses to function as national ID cards. A state that chooses not to comply can still license its drivers, but those licenses won\’t be valid as national identity cards for boarding planes, entering federal buildings, etc.
Note also that Utah is *already* running two-tiered licensing systems that allow illegals to get licensed and insured. (OOOH those hippie liberal Mormons are at it again!)
So is Tennessee, another hotbed of left-coast liberalism.
Maine has passed legislation refusing to comply and requesting that Congress repeal the law.
The Peoples Republic of Montana is on the list, too, with legislation pending refusing to comply. Georgia, too.
And Massachusetts, but of course you\’d expect that from the Tea Party State.